Church comments on SEC settlement

[Jason Bourne]

Indeed. It is no wonder that corporations scoff when they get off so lightly. The damaging thing here is the clear evidence that the LDS Church breaks the law and operates dishonestly.

Not just the Church as an entity - as the OP points out, the top Prophets, Seers, and Revelators are dishonest.

Still, faithful members will find a way to deny and deflect - it's what they do - it's what I used to do

Yep. Just go over to Mormon Dialogue and read the thread on this.

[drumdude]

I have no idea how you're trying to make sense out of President Nelson's nonsense lol.

I think you do. If not, your intuition and/or ability to put two and two together is lacking.

Regards,
MG

If you say so. I think the desire to defend the church at all costs isn't a healthy one. You can call a spade a spade on this one.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

I think you do. If not, your intuition and/or ability to put two and two together is lacking.

Regards,
MG

If you say so. I think the desire to defend the church at all costs isn't a healthy one. You can call a spade a spade on this one.

And he still hasn’t read the entire order - although he did skim it until para 13 so he could pull a tidbit out of context in order to shill for his cult.

- Doc

[Marcus]

Wow. I wondered how this could possibly be spun, here's how. A believer from reddit

When principles come in conflict a choice needs to be made because either way you go there are undesirable consequences.

The choice here was to keep the money made in stocks as confidential as possible at the expense of violating an SEC rule. They paid the fine and hopefully it is done.

Sometimes the truth isn't very helpful. See Genesis 20:1-18, Abraham 2:21-25

Wow. Just... unbelievable.

[MG 2.0]

If you say so. I think the desire to defend the church at all costs isn't a healthy one. You can call a spade a spade on this one.

And he still hasn’t read the entire order - although he did skim it until para 13 so he could pull a tidbit out of context in order to shill for his cult.

- Doc

You lie again. Have you no shame?

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Wow. I wondered how this could possibly be spun, here's how. A believer from reddit

When principles come in conflict a choice needs to be made because either way you go there are undesirable consequences.

The choice here was to keep the money made in stocks as confidential as possible at the expense of violating an SEC rule. They paid the fine and hopefully it is done.

Sometimes the truth isn't very helpful. See Genesis 20:1-18, Abraham 2:21-25

Wow. Just... unbelievable.

Sometimes a sense of nuance and flexibility can lead towards a greater truth(s)

On the other hand brittleness and inflexibility can lead to very limited outcomes/reasoning.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

Wow. I wondered how this could possibly be spun, here's how. A believer from reddit

Wow. Just... unbelievable.

Sometimes a sense of nuance and flexibility can lead towards a greater truth(s)

On the other hand brittleness and inflexibility can lead to very limited outcomes/reasoning...

Yes, I'm sure the SEC investigators were loving that (non-)argument. It's amazing how seldom that works. /s

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

And he still hasn’t read the entire order - although he did skim it until para 13 so he could pull a tidbit out of context in order to shill for his cult.

- Doc

You lie again. Have you no shame?

Regards,
MG

Oh, really? Why don’t you point us to the order’s paragraph you feel bolsters your argument?

[Gadianton]

It depends. If these young families (and other folks) have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel and that the tithe brings blessings both to themselves and the church I don’t think there is much danger in them leaving the church. On the other hand, if they are cultural Mormons then you might have a point.

As I said earlier, another ‘wheat and chaff’ episode.

Regards,
MG

You can say the same thing of human sacrifices to volcanoes. You could say the same thing of kidnapping victims experience extreme Stockholm syndrome. If the person has a testimony that the volcano needs to feed on them then it's okay in your world.

Whether it's right or wrong of the Church is a deeper question than if it's merely okay with the parishioners -- whether the parishioners believe that God has spoken.

[drumdude]

The Warren Jeffs compound raid was also a real "wheat and chaff episode."

Only the true believers and koolaid drinkers are still strong in the church. Surely they'll be blessed.