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dastardly stem wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:07 pm

3 or 4 what? I found one survey based on your OP, and I pointed out how it does not in any way suggest what you or Desnews or that other article are saying.
Third post down on first page of thread.

Additional information on current trends.

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Dr Exiled wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:11 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:19 pm


The survey does point out that rather interesting ‘factoid’.

Do you believe this statistical inference to have any meaning in the real world?

I look at things from both an individual point of view…looking at you as an individual…and looking at things from a larger perspective, such as factoids in a survey.

But I’m not judging YOU as a person. You may very well be living a ‘Christian Life’ without being a Christian. Loving one’s neighbor as themselves, serving others with caring love and compassion, etc.

You are the final arbiter of that, not me.

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I wonder why people get irritated with you ... and thanks for not automatically condemning me. I can now hold my head high over the weekend.

Anyway, may I suggest that you are the blind one in this thread? Have you ever considered this?
I’m not looking at ‘blindness’ as being what this is all about. I know you’re not blind. Neither am I. But I do know we have contrasting points of view.

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malkie wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:12 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:57 pm


Thank you for this admission.

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I suppose you have to try to score a point whenever you can, and be seen to do so.

But really? You count that as an "admission", as if it were something that I'm only now conceding as a result of your comment?

Every time that you write something that is not 100% complete, should I insist that you "admit" that everything is more complex than you say, even if you stated upfront that your intention was to created a simplified version?

Like I said, seems rather petty to me.

By the way, your comment is a rather simplified version of the truth - will you admit that?
If my response caused you any consternation, I’m sorry.

Don’t let that get in the way of continued dialogue.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:18 pm

Third post down on first page of thread.

Additional information on current trends.

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Those two are about teens and sexual activity. It sounds to me like you don't really have a point or if you do, you may not be able to support it?

But if you're having a productive conversation anyway, be my guest.
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Morley wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:19 pm
No idea what you're talking about. Please list some these "liberal and neo-Marxist views" you're so afraid of.
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:55 pm
Sure you do. Unless you’re in a bubble. Which is possible I suppose.
No, I don't. Unless I'm to assume that you agree with every talking point on the far right. I'm asking for clarification from you about what you consider to be "liberal and neo-Marxist views".
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Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:55 pm
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... edium=copy

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/millen ... sm-marxism

May I suggest that you listen to some of Jordan Peterson’s musings on these topics?
So, I should assume that you agree with everything Pew lists and Fox News says on these topics?

So, I should assume that you agree with everything Jordan Peterson says on these topics?

If that's what you're saying, then we have somewhere to start. If that's not what you're saying, then perhaps you'll list the subset of these "liberal and neo-Marxist views" you're so afraid of.
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Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:55 pm
Marxism-neomarxist-post modern neomarxism-socialism and the like.

If anyone is an expert as to what has been happening on college campuses for years now with the indoctrination of our youth, he is.

GenZ is a manifestation of the cultural shift/divide that has been occurring.
How are they a manifestation? I don't see that you've made a good faith case.

If I may be so bold, MG, you're doing what you usually do. You're sending your questioners somewhere else to read what someone else wrote--something you, MG, may or may not be totally on board with. I'm not debating Fox News or Jordan Peterson, I'm trying to find out from you what you think, so that we can have a discussion.
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MG, while you're at it, maybe you'll respond to this that I wrote earlier:
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:51 pm
Over time, if successful, religion could end up taking a back seat to the dictates of centralized government…with the complete approbation of a large segment of society.

GenZ could very well be the beginnings of that cultural and governmental shift.
From your lips to God's ears. Folks in Iran went from a pretty secular society back to one run by the mullahs. Things are not going well for them. The majority there wish they could once again get religion to take a backseat to the dictates of government.
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:51 pm
Morley wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:11 pm

There are hundreds of millions of "less government" types who still don't think that relying on a democratic government to make laws that rectify justice and fairness issues is dangerous. Dangerous?
In the language that you are expressing this point we are in agreement.

What I’m wary of is the gradual increase in power and authority of the federal government. The military industrial complex…and other ‘complexes’ that dictate ‘truth’ and then expect the populace to simply ‘kick in’ and do their bidding. Government isn’t meant, at least in the minds of the founders, to have power over every aspect of our lives.

GenZ seems to not have issues, at least in some respects (especially along the cultural spectrum), in letting and even forcing the government (NGO pressures, lobbying efforts, think tanks, etc.) to bend and then dictate their liberal and neomarxist views upon the rest of the nation.

Over time, if successful, religion could end up taking a back seat to the dictates of centralized government…with the complete approbation of a large segment of society.

GenZ could very well be the beginnings of that cultural and governmental shift.

Hope this helps.

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Morley wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:19 pm
No idea what you're talking about. Please list some these "liberal and neo-Marxist views" you're so afraid of.
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:55 pm
Sure you do. Unless you’re in a bubble. Which is possible I suppose.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/millen ... sm-marxism
To fortify your argument that Gen Z is dangerous, because they have too much trust in the government, you link to an article with the subhead "But despite a more favorable view of socialism, younger Americans are still wary of government."

Do you read the articles you google and link?
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:18 pm
Third post down on first page of thread.

Additional information on current trends.

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MG
I am still waiting for a responce MG.
doubtingthomas wrote:
Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:22 pm

However, nonreligious people aren't necessarily atheists or agnostics. A lot of nonreligious people believe in Jesus Christ.
You have to compare apples to apples, MG. I'll be impressed when you prove that religious folks are more charitable than atheists, but you'll have to control for economic circumstances.

I would be even happier if you prove that religious people are better than atheists in fixing problems.
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:50 pm
Last weekend on the Deseret News I came across the following article:

https://www.deseret.com/2023/3/4/236171 ... es-charity

You can also read it here:

https://www.aei.org/articles/perspectiv ... -of-faith/

The interesting thing to me is something that I’ve intuitively deduced over time. It is this (from the article):
Gen Z is the nation’s least religious generation, with about a third having no religion — about the same proportion as among millennials — compared with 23%, 17% and 11% among, respectively, Generation X, baby boomers and the Silent Generation.
and this:
The data show that religious younger Americans are more than twice as likely to do community work as their nonreligious Gen Z counterparts. Half of religious Gen Zers report volunteering in the community often or very often, compared to 30% of slightly religious Gen Zers and just 21% of not religious Gen Zers.

Being involved with community groups — such as sports or social clubs — shows an even bigger difference between the very religious and not religious, with 46% of the very religious regularly being part of community groups, compared to just 16 % of those who are not religious.

As for charitable donations, the same pattern emerges once again, with fully half of very religious Gen Zers contributing often or very often, while 29% of slightly religious and just 17% of nonreligious Gen Zers do the same.
The article as a whole seems to paint a rather dismal portrait of what is to come unless more younger people come to Christ and/or participate in religious activity of some sort that promotes community values of charity/giving beyond one’s self.

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MG
Take a look at this, MG:

https://news.berkeley.edu/2012/04/30/re ... enerosity/
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