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sock puppet wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:37 pm
Take a look at this, MG https://news.berkeley.edu/2012/04/30/re ... enerosity/
The money shot:
In the study, the link between compassion and generosity was found to be stronger for those who identified as being non-religious or less religious.
So, basically communists who hate Jesus.

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I'm still hoping a definition of what constitutes civil society gets posted.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:45 pm
sock puppet wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:37 pm
Take a look at this, MG https://news.berkeley.edu/2012/04/30/re ... enerosity/
The money shot:
In the study, the link between compassion and generosity was found to be stronger for those who identified as being non-religious or less religious.
So, basically communists who hate Jesus.

- Doc
Clearly the work of biased neo-somethingOrAnother leftist propagandists, and so can be dismissed with a wave of the hand - no, wait - a wave of the little finger will suffice.
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dastardly stem wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:31 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:18 pm

Third post down on first page of thread.

Additional information on current trends.

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Those two are about teens and sexual activity. It sounds to me like you don't really have a point or if you do, you may not be able to support it?

But if you're having a productive conversation anyway, be my guest.
The thread is mainly concerned, from my point of view anyway, with whether or not there is a gradual shift that is now increasing exponentially with GenZ towards not practicing/participating in traditional religion and their beliefs/practices concerning fidelity in relationships. And whether that will in turn impact the general civility and/or social order that until now has allowed citizens to live together in some degree of harmony and peace.

Whether the turning away from religion will impact societies moral bearings and traditional values that have served us well for the common good. Values such as service, honesty, moral rectitude, etc. We have been moving progressively towards moral relativism and self designed gods and philosophies which have not stood the test of time over the long haul.

Fracturing may be the result. Time will tell.

Or maybe we’ll all learn to just get along! But I don’t see that happening any time soon with such divergent views concerning God and obedience to His commandments and views that are basically made up on the fly by those that think they have it all figured out. 🤓

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:14 pm
But I don’t see that happening any time soon with such divergent views concerning God and obedience to His commandments and views that are basically made up on the fly by those that think they have it all figured out. 🤓
I hope you'll agree that if human civilization depends on all 8 billion of us agreeing on which God to be obedient to, and which of his commandments to obey - we're 100% doomed. According to Mormonism, less than 1% of the world population currently has it right.
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Morley wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:48 pm
MG, while you're at it, maybe you'll respond to this that I wrote earlier:
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:51 pm
Over time, if successful, religion could end up taking a back seat to the dictates of centralized government…with the complete approbation of a large segment of society.

GenZ could very well be the beginnings of that cultural and governmental shift.
From your lips to God's ears. Folks in Iran went from a pretty secular society back to one run by the mullahs. Things are not going well for them. The majority there wish they could once again get religion to take a backseat to the dictates of government.
There should be a separation between church and state. That was the whole idea as our nation came into being.

Well, the idea that won out anyway.

Fortunately.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 11:19 pm
Morley wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:48 pm
MG, while you're at it, maybe you'll respond to this that I wrote earlier:


From your lips to God's ears. Folks in Iran went from a pretty secular society back to one run by the mullahs. Things are not going well for them. The majority there wish they could once again get religion to take a backseat to the dictates of government.
There should be a separation between church and state. That was the whole idea as our nation came into being.

Well, the idea that won out anyway.

Fortunately.

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Morley wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:42 pm

So, I should assume that you agree with everything Jordan Peterson says on these topics?

If that's what you're saying, then we have somewhere to start. If that's not what you're saying, then perhaps you'll list the subset of these "liberal and neo-Marxist views" you're so afraid of.
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Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:55 pm
Marxism-neomarxist-post modern neomarxism-socialism and the like.

If anyone is an expert as to what has been happening on college campuses for years now with the indoctrination of our youth, he is.

GenZ is a manifestation of the cultural shift/divide that has been occurring.
How are they a manifestation? I don't see that you've made a good faith case.
Generally I am on board with PEW research giving fairly trustworthy results with little bias.

Generally I am on board with much of what I see and hear on FOX News say compared with MSNBC.

I’ve listened to enough of Jordan Peterson to know that he is a respected intellectual who’s views I have generally agree with.

If you’ve listened much to Jordan Peterson or listened to FOX news you will understand that the ‘cultural divide’ is real and has been in motion for a number of years now. In my mind there’s really not much up for discussion on that front.

I suppose that the one thing that I see as problematic is the now popular presentation of ‘victims’ and perpetrators of victimhood and all that this entails. The younger people have now been indoctrinated with ideas that government is the answer to society’s problems and that reparations are to be made to ‘victims’ even when the so called ‘perpetrators’ are not even perpetrators. The traditional values of personal responsibility are then warped and turned on its head.

Government and governmental edicts become the norm. Almost religious in its intensity and application to the populace who are slowly becoming like sheep.

In order for civil society to exist different and divergent views need to be expressed. The Twitter Files are showing that governmental/media conglomerate influence is impacting the views and opinions of those that ought to be free to make fair and balanced decisions. The universities, media, and government entities have been and are moving in the direction of Big Brother controlling and disseminating information.

That is a danger to civil society.

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sock puppet wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:51 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:51 pm


In the language that you are expressing this point we are in agreement.

What I’m wary of is the gradual increase in power and authority of the federal government. The military industrial complex…and other ‘complexes’ that dictate ‘truth’ and then expect the populace to simply ‘kick in’ and do their bidding. Government isn’t meant, at least in the minds of the founders, to have power over every aspect of our lives.

GenZ seems to not have issues, at least in some respects (especially along the cultural spectrum), in letting and even forcing the government (NGO pressures, lobbying efforts, think tanks, etc.) to bend and then dictate their liberal and neomarxist views upon the rest of the nation.

Over time, if successful, religion could end up taking a back seat to the dictates of centralized government…with the complete approbation of a large segment of society.

GenZ could very well be the beginnings of that cultural and governmental shift.

Hope this helps.

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doubtingthomas wrote:
Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:17 pm


I would be even happier if you prove that religious people are better than atheists in fixing problems.
I think that ultimately problems are to solved at the micro level rather than the macro level.

But if we don’t really care about each other and follow strictly the teachings of Jesus in this regard how is this to happen?

Selfishness and self centerdness will not solve problems. Neither will turning it all over to the government and then trust that they will make the right decisions all of the time as we just send them more money.

That hasn’t worked so well in education and civil rights and the military industrial complex, just to name a few.

Churches and religious organizations have always been where the REAL rubber meets the road in giving Christlike service.

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