Deep State Strikes Again

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sun May 21, 2023 12:05 am
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Then why doesn't the US invade and conquer the parts of the world where slavery and humans rights violations are happening right now? i.e. China, Africa, etc?
You're not a serious man. -_-
The confederates weren't a threat to northern security. They weren't building weapons of mass destruction. They had slaves but China has slaves right now. What's the difference?
And when the Confederates saw Jackson standing fearless like a stonewall, the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
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ajax18 wrote:
Sun May 21, 2023 1:16 am
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sun May 21, 2023 12:05 am
You're not a serious man. -_-
The confederates weren't a threat to northern security. They weren't building weapons of mass destruction. They had slaves but China has slaves right now. What's the difference?
QED
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sun May 21, 2023 1:26 am
ajax18 wrote:
Sun May 21, 2023 1:16 am
The confederates weren't a threat to northern security. They weren't building weapons of mass destruction. They had slaves but China has slaves right now. What's the difference?
QED
QED indeed! And he just can't see it!
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ajax18 wrote:
Sun May 21, 2023 1:16 am
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sun May 21, 2023 12:05 am
You're not a serious man. -_-
The confederates weren't a threat to northern security. They weren't building weapons of mass destruction. They had slaves but China has slaves right now. What's the difference?
You misunderstand. The breaking up of the United States was a failure of democracy, and to let it happen a resolution that the values and principles on which the nation was founded could not bind a nation together. In Lincoln's words:

"Is there, in all republics, this inherent and fatal weakness? Must a government, of necessity, be too strong for the liberties of its own people, or too weak to maintain its own existence?" Abraham Lincoln, address to Congress on July 4, 1861.

Maintaining the union demonstrated that sharp disagreement between states over fundamental issues such as human rights should not and could not destroy a nation founded on the belief all men were created equal. We are still working on realizing that lofty promise, realizing how we fail but must strive to better protect that inherent birth right of all human beings regardless of gender, race, religion, or social status.

What you demand is failure. You don't understand how your selfishness is corrosive to the very principles you pretend are being withheld from you. Your beliefs and the propoganda that drive them are inherently anti-American.
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Gunnar wrote:
Sat May 20, 2023 5:59 am
ajax18 wrote:
Sun May 14, 2023 4:35 pm
So you're not allowing us to secede out of your own altruistic feelings for the deplorables you curse and despise. Can you understand why we might be skeptical of that? My prayer is that the democratic socialist can get together and implement their policies while those who believe capitalism is the better system can segregate and implement their policies. Then we can see which works better. Just maybe both groups of people of opposing ideologies will be happier than they are now? Do you think that's impossibe?
Like it or not, ajax, it has already been compellingly demonstrated that democratic socialism works better than what you prefer, by the documented fact that blue states, on average, have higher standards of living, better health care, higher life expectancies, lower infant mortality rates, higher average educational levels, etc. than red states, while red states have the highest poverty rates, higher obvious corruption, highest percentage of citizens on welfare and even higher violent crime rates compared to blue states. Even more compelling is that countries with democratic socialist type governments with universal healthcare have the highest per capita standards of living, lowest poverty rates, best (yet least expensive) healthcare, highest life expectancies, lowest infant mortality rates, highest happiness indices in the world, lowest violent crime rates, etc.

There is simply no way you can continue to deny or ignore these facts and evidence without further underscoring your own ignorance, dishonesty and/or bigotry!

ETA: I am by no means endorsing communism here. I agree with you that communism (especially as envisaged by the former USSR) has failed miserably everywhere it has been tried. Democratic Socialism that allows for and encourages honest and reasonably regulated entrepreneurship and free enterprise and innovation is, I believe, the best way to govern and leads to the happiest and most productive and even freest (I firmly believe) societies. It is certainly better than completely unregulated, laisses-faire capitalism, which is potentially every bit as bad or worse than the most brutal, authoritarian despotisms, communistic or otherwise.
I don't believe the above is accurate in regards to what democratic socialism entails nor what is being contested. To be honest, I don't know what democratic socialism actually entails given it is never presented in a way that clearly distinguishes it from other systems. I'm curious.
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ajax18 wrote:
Sat May 20, 2023 5:01 pm
For the sake of argument let's say you're right that Democratic socialism is better. You're still usurping the agency and consent of the governed by refusing to allow for separate countries for people of separate ideologies based on your liberal elitism that you know better what's good for people than they know for themselves. Maybe you do, but that's not respecting individual liberty. In fact it's, authoritarianism and tyranny. Why can't you just respect God given individual liberties? Why do you have to be lord and master over people who disagree with your ideology? Were obviously of no use to you? Why not just release us?
ajax, unless you’ve figured out a way to pack a particular state or states with only like-minded citizens (in this case, tightly aligned with your particular political sensibilities) without forcibly displacing the non-similar folks within your desired territory and taking their land from them to fulfill your plan - or forcing them to live under your rules - then how is what you propose any better than the system you believe now oppresses you, and how is your plan any better than what you claim is ‘authoritarianism and tyranny’?
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That's a great point Canpakes. Looks like Ohio County West Virginia has the the highest income level and 36% voted for Biden, putting it in the top 3. On the other hand, only 13% of the aptly named Wyoming County voted for Biden and it's in the bottom two for income. All that will change though when the right-wing leader takes the helm, as they can make up whatever numbers they want from there on out.
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Wait. There may be a solution.
Russia is floating a plan to build a village for conservative Americans who want to move to a 'Christian country' and are tired of liberal ideology in the US
Matthew Loh May 12, 2023, 1:16 AM MDT


- Russia is building a village for US expats who are tired of liberal ideology, a lawyer told state media.
- The project is approved, and slated to house some 200 American and Canadian families, he said.
- Russia has in recent years sought to position itself as a bastion for "traditional" moral values.


Russia is floating an idea to build a village for hundreds of American and Canadian families who want to run away from the cultural climate in North America.

The village, slated for construction in Moscow's suburbs in 2024, is meant for conservative families who want to "emigrate for ideological reasons," said immigration lawyer Timur Beslangurov on Thursday, according to RIA Novosti.

Around 200 families have expressed interest in the project, Beslangurov said in a speech at a legal forum in St. Petersburg, the state outlet reported.

Many of these families don't have Russian roots but are tired of "the inculcation of radical values" in the US and Canada, Beslangurov said.

"Today, they have 70 genders, it is not known what will happen next," he added, per RIA Novosti. The same rhetoric has been used frequently by Russian Vladimir Putin as US-Russia relations worsened over the last several years. In December 2021, he compared gender nonconformity to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Most of the expats who want to move to the village are Catholics and "strongly believe in the prediction that Russia will remain the only Christian country in the world," Beslangurov said.

The village project has been greenlit by authorities, and the new settlers will pay for the construction, Beslangurov added, per state media.

Insider could not independently verify Beslangurov's claims. When contacted by Insider, the lawyer said the project is in the works, but declined to share further details.

The Russian Foreign Ministry did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment sent outside regular business hours.

Putin has, in recent years, sought to portray Russia as a country that stands for "traditional" moral, social, and religious values.

He signed a decree in September that warned of a "battle for cultural supremacy" on the global stage and cautioned of "the aggressive imposition of neoliberal views by a number of states."

It said Russia was in a "unique position" to defend and spread conservative views, which the decree called "traditional Russian moral and religious values."

The village project also comes as Moscow's war on Ukraine and resulting international sanctions have sullied Russia's reputation among tourists and expatriates. In February, tourism agencies reported business slumping lower than pre-pandemic levels since the invasion began.

The Federal Security Service, however, claimed on May 3 that more foreigners are entering the country this year. The influx of foreign citizens to Russia increased by 17.6% in the first quarter of 2023 compared to the same time period in 2022, it said.

People from China and Central Asian nations, such as Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan, contributed to the most significant increases in trips to Russia, the state agency added.
https://www.businessinsider.com/russia- ... yer-2023-5
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canpakes wrote:
Mon May 22, 2023 3:52 am
Wait. There may be a solution.
Russia is floating a plan to build a village for conservative Americans who want to move to a 'Christian country' and are tired of liberal ideology in the US
Matthew Loh May 12, 2023, 1:16 AM MDT


- Russia is building a village for US expats who are tired of liberal ideology, a lawyer told state media.
- The project is approved, and slated to house some 200 American and Canadian families, he said.
- Russia has in recent years sought to position itself as a bastion for "traditional" moral values.


Russia is floating an idea to build a village for hundreds of American and Canadian families who want to run away from the cultural climate in North America.

The village, slated for construction in Moscow's suburbs in 2024, is meant for conservative families who want to "emigrate for ideological reasons," said immigration lawyer Timur Beslangurov on Thursday, according to RIA Novosti.

Around 200 families have expressed interest in the project, Beslangurov said in a speech at a legal forum in St. Petersburg, the state outlet reported.

Many of these families don't have Russian roots but are tired of "the inculcation of radical values" in the US and Canada, Beslangurov said.

"Today, they have 70 genders, it is not known what will happen next," he added, per RIA Novosti. The same rhetoric has been used frequently by Russian Vladimir Putin as US-Russia relations worsened over the last several years. In December 2021, he compared gender nonconformity to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Most of the expats who want to move to the village are Catholics and "strongly believe in the prediction that Russia will remain the only Christian country in the world," Beslangurov said.

The village project has been greenlit by authorities, and the new settlers will pay for the construction, Beslangurov added, per state media.

Insider could not independently verify Beslangurov's claims. When contacted by Insider, the lawyer said the project is in the works, but declined to share further details.

The Russian Foreign Ministry did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment sent outside regular business hours.

Putin has, in recent years, sought to portray Russia as a country that stands for "traditional" moral, social, and religious values.

He signed a decree in September that warned of a "battle for cultural supremacy" on the global stage and cautioned of "the aggressive imposition of neoliberal views by a number of states."

It said Russia was in a "unique position" to defend and spread conservative views, which the decree called "traditional Russian moral and religious values."

The village project also comes as Moscow's war on Ukraine and resulting international sanctions have sullied Russia's reputation among tourists and expatriates. In February, tourism agencies reported business slumping lower than pre-pandemic levels since the invasion began.

The Federal Security Service, however, claimed on May 3 that more foreigners are entering the country this year. The influx of foreign citizens to Russia increased by 17.6% in the first quarter of 2023 compared to the same time period in 2022, it said.

People from China and Central Asian nations, such as Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan, contributed to the most significant increases in trips to Russia, the state agency added.
https://www.businessinsider.com/russia- ... yer-2023-5
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The ultimate anti-Trump statement: The time to save democracy is before it is lost.
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