Bednar physically is like a church. He peaked about 2000. He needs to get in touch with Dorian Grey's art guy asap.Everybody Wang Chung wrote: ↑Mon Oct 09, 2023 1:09 amI believe Elder Bednar. He has always told the truth.
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That activity rate is probably more like 3-4 million with half of them on their phones scrolling.BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:32 pmThing is, at this point in time, even if they still think or believe that, it's gotta be plausible deniability. Why? Just look at the membership #'s... 16 million of which only 8 million are active. That is .0001% of the entire population of the planet, in other words, in the last 203 years since 'restoring' his 'one true church', the best God has done is 1 in 10,000 on planet earth converted to his 'one and only church'??? That is big time inefficieny, to say the least. Meanwhile, there are 1.5 billion catholics which comprises 21% of earth's population. But they're all members of the wrong religion??? I guess God really is working in mysterious ways. And how do these men, who are former doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. who are supposed to be quite bright, actually believe that Smith crated divine scriptue by looking at a rock (that he used to scam people during his money-digging years) in a hat and telling a story with no gold plates used in the process??? I'll tell you... they want to believe... they need to believe... to maintain their celebrity status and all the financial perks that come with being a GA, not to mention their wives, kids, grandkids, great grandkids, etc. all benefiting financially for decades to come!
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Be not deceived, I do not think Joseph would have been able to read the plates (if there were such things with the story written on them) by looking at the plates any better than he would have been by looking at a rock. His ability would be the same zero either way. I do not understand why people get worried about him looking at a rock instead of the plates, well different people get their maybe I should question this button pressed by different things. Even so I am sure all Mormon believers think that only the power of God supplied the translation not Joseph. That could have been done with stone, weird stone glasses or any such thing even a helpful raven .BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:32 pmThing is, at this point in time, even if they still think or believe that, it's gotta be plausible deniability. Why? Just look at the membership #'s... 16 million of which only 8 million are active. That is .0001% of the entire population of the planet, in other words, in the last 203 years since 'restoring' his 'one true church', the best God has done is 1 in 10,000 on planet earth converted to his 'one and only church'??? That is big time inefficieny, to say the least. Meanwhile, there are 1.5 billion catholics which comprises 21% of earth's population. But they're all members of the wrong religion??? I guess God really is working in mysterious ways. And how do these men, who are former doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. who are supposed to be quite bright, actually believe that Smith crated divine scriptue by looking at a rock (that he used to scam people during his money-digging years) in a hat and telling a story with no gold plates used in the process??? I'll tell you... they want to believe... they need to believe... to maintain their celebrity status and all the financial perks that come with being a GA, not to mention their wives, kids, grandkids, great grandkids, etc. all benefiting financially for decades to come!
I would not question your observation that a desire to believe plays an important role in people believing.
adding, I think there are quite a few things which might press a persons I should question this button.
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So did Mr Bednar actually say no homosexuals or is that just an as if sort of image.
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Here is a video here he said those words. However, he is not claiming that every church member is heterosexual. He is rejecting use of the label. https://youtu.be/BQ4_wTGv8Ao?si=lUUBD5eu4mx20D0khuckelberry wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:46 pmSo did Mr Bednar actually say no homosexuals or is that just an as if sort of image.
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I understood him to be suggesting that if any member were to identify themselves as homosexual, they’d be excommunicated.Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 9:36 pmHere is a video here he said those words. However, he is not claiming that every church member is heterosexual. He is rejecting use of the label. https://youtu.be/BQ4_wTGv8Ao?si=lUUBD5eu4mx20D0khuckelberry wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:46 pmSo did Mr Bednar actually say no homosexuals or is that just an as if sort of image.
1. Eye witness testimony is notoriously unreliable. 2. The best evidence for The Book of Mormon is eye witness testimony, therefore… 3.The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is a type of evidence that is notoriously unreliable.
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I watched the entire clip, and that's not what he said or suggested. In fact, he explains why he made the statement in the clip. His entire point was that the label is irrelevant -- what's relevant is whether an individual chooses to follow God's laws.I Have Questions wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 9:58 pmI understood him to be suggesting that if any member were to identify themselves as homosexual, they’d be excommunicated.Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 9:36 pmHere is a video here he said those words. However, he is not claiming that every church member is heterosexual. He is rejecting use of the label. https://youtu.be/BQ4_wTGv8Ao?si=lUUBD5eu4mx20D0k
It's the "answer the question they should have asked" technique we've all seen before, but he's clearly not suggesting that adopting the label is an excommunicable offense. More like, it's a mistake in thinking.
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Benjamin Franklin
When a Religion is good, I conceive that it will support itself; and when it cannot support itself, and God does not take care to support, so that its Professors are oblig’d to call for the help of the Civil Power, ’tis a Sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.
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He also likened same sex attraction to having a physical disability.Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:05 pmI watched the entire clip, and that's not what he said or suggested. In fact, he explains why he made the statement in the clip. His entire point was that the label is irrelevant -- what's relevant is whether an individual chooses to follow God's laws.I Have Questions wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 9:58 pm
I understood him to be suggesting that if any member were to identify themselves as homosexual, they’d be excommunicated.
It's the "answer the question they should have asked" technique we've all seen before, but he's clearly not suggesting that adopting the label is an excommunicable offense. More like, it's a mistake in thinking.
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Are you referring to the part where he analogized "same sex attraction" to other challenges people face in life?I Have Questions wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:06 pmHe also likened same sex attraction to having a physical disability.Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:05 pm
I watched the entire clip, and that's not what he said or suggested. In fact, he explains why he made the statement in the clip. His entire point was that the label is irrelevant -- what's relevant is whether an individual chooses to follow God's laws.
It's the "answer the question they should have asked" technique we've all seen before, but he's clearly not suggesting that adopting the label is an excommunicable offense. More like, it's a mistake in thinking.
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When a Religion is good, I conceive that it will support itself; and when it cannot support itself, and God does not take care to support, so that its Professors are oblig’d to call for the help of the Civil Power, ’tis a Sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.
Benjamin Franklin
When a Religion is good, I conceive that it will support itself; and when it cannot support itself, and God does not take care to support, so that its Professors are oblig’d to call for the help of the Civil Power, ’tis a Sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.
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I’m referring to this…Res Ipsa wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:06 pmAre you referring to the part where he analogized "same sex attraction" to other challenges people face in life?I Have Questions wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:06 pmHe also likened same sex attraction to having a physical disability.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 07146.htmlHe said: "Some people have physical limitations, they may be born with a body that is not fully functional."
Mr Bednar likened this to having “an inclination to be attracted to someone of the same sex”.
1. Eye witness testimony is notoriously unreliable. 2. The best evidence for The Book of Mormon is eye witness testimony, therefore… 3.The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is a type of evidence that is notoriously unreliable.