Kishkumen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 11:40 am
Dr. Shades wrote: ↑Fri Apr 05, 2024 2:14 am
You took everything he said seriously before this happened?
No need to go running off to the opposite extreme there, Shades. Obviously I felt liberated to a certain degree beforehand, but my sense of freedom was noticeably more pronounced once I saw a stream of things said so bizarre that I simply could not take them seriously.
You were liberated only to a certain degree? So, you thought there was a chance you were wrong about his non-prophethood?
True prophets, or false prophets?
What does that even mean to you, Shades? I mean, for there to be true or false prophets?
It means the same thing to me that it does to the Chapel Mormons. And the same thing it meant to you when you were a Mormon missionary.
Does such a thing exist for you? Personally, I don't deal in simple binaries.
When describing their own roles, do the prophets teach the members that their "prophet, seer, and revelator"-hood is an extremely nuanced understanding that may vary from person to person? Or do they deal in simple binaries regarding whether they deliver messages from God?
I understand that there is heavy streak of binary thinking in the Mormon tradition, but I don't feel obligated to stick with it, and I am surprised that your questions suggests you might be doing so.
2 + 2 either = 4 or it doesn't. Similarly, a person is either receiving revelations from God or one isn't (and is lying about it). There's no room for anything other than binary thinking on this point. If I'm wrong, please explain how. . . In clear, straightforward American English.
Brigham Young was a relatively decent man??
Yeah, relatively decent. I stand by that. I don't like him. I doubt we would have been friends. But, I think that on the whole he was a relatively decent person who labored under the great burden of being the leader of a large group of people. A number of the decisions he made in that role were, to my way of thinking, bad, but then I have never had the misfortune of being in the position of having to make such decisions for a big group.
What's your opinion of his Blood Atonement doctrine and practice?