Illegal aliens get congressional approval to vote in 2024 elections

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Re: Illegal aliens get congressional approval to vote in 2024 elections

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It's the same here. I assume there is probably some kind of target system between the countries where they benefit in some way from it. Probably skews data in a way that is beneficial to the government. Who knows.

I don't think people who are not citizens should be allowed to vote on big issues that affect the culture and laws of the nation. But I do think they should be allowed to voice their opinion and that should be considered. But even the citizens opinions are barely considered so it's pointless.
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Gunnar wrote:
Thu May 16, 2024 6:38 am
Moksha wrote:
Mon May 13, 2024 11:08 pm

Many polling places in Utah were unable to find a Democrat willing to be an election worker.
I'm sorry to hear that. That's a very sad state of affairs, in my opinion. It's also potentially dangerous given the present prevalence of MAGA influence amongst Republicans.
Yes, the polling places are supposed to have three workers: Two from the party who won the local legislative seat and one Democrat. The other workers can always find a volunteer from the local ward unless the county can recruit someone. Regardless of who is filling in, the local Relief Society members are always kind in bringing something for lunch and dinner. Now that Utah mostly does mail-in ballots (Utah Republicans love this despite the orange blowhard) it lessens the burden on the polling place.
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Re: Illegal aliens get congressional approval to vote in 2024 elections

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Moksha wrote:
Thu May 16, 2024 9:33 am
Yes, the polling places are supposed to have three workers: Two from the party who won the local legislative seat and one Democrat. The other workers can always find a volunteer from the local ward unless the county can recruit someone. Regardless of who is filling in, the local Relief Society members are always kind in bringing something for lunch and dinner. Now that Utah mostly does mail-in ballots (Utah Republicans love this despite the orange blowhard) it lessens the burden on the polling place.
It's perfectly understandable that Republicans would love mail-in ballots in a safely red district or state. Trump himself only rails against mail-in ballots whenever he can use them as an excuse to claim a rigged or stolen election when his side doesn't win. We both know that he happily used a mail-in ballot at the last election in Florida. I'm sure that even Ajax doesn't really object to using mail-in ballots as long as the district in which he resides stays deeply red. Unless election day is made a national holiday so everyone can get a day off from work to go and vote, there is no rational justification for banning mail-in ballots. Even then, there would be no compelling reason to ban them.
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Re: Illegal aliens get congressional approval to vote in 2024 elections

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ajax18 wrote:
Tue May 14, 2024 4:00 pm

The deep state controls the audits and the election data, the same deep state that has been willing to lie for Biden, suppress social media stories that cut against the Democrat media narrative. The left has the means motive and opportunity to cheat. I think some on here would even applaud cheating as a means to saving our democracy (meaning perpetual Democrat power and disenfranchisement of the right).
Will you please stop with this deep state nonsense! What Trump and his MAGA sycophants call "the deep state" are nothing more than the qualified personnel with the training and experience to carry out and maintain the day-to-functions of government without which the whole thing would collapse into an intractable mess. Most of these functions need to be carried out with consistency, continuity and efficiency, regardless of which political party happens to be in power. These personnel are just ordinary citizens like the rest of us and are not any more likely to be of any one particular party or political persuasion rather than another than are the rest of us. Since the passage of the Civil Service Act of 1883 the hiring and retention of these personnel has been based on merit and competence to do their job rather than the basis of the selfish, partisan whims and patronage of elected politicians, as used to be the case before the enactment of that act. See https://www.bing.com/search?pglt=43&q=c ... A1&PC=U531
The Civil Service Act of 1883, also known as the Pendleton Act, established a merit system of examinations for specific public service positions12345. The act was sponsored by Senator George H. Pendleton and created a bipartisan commission to oversee the merit system13. Applicants for the positions classified under the merit system were subject to competitive examinations1. The act transformed the civil service and greatly affected the organization of political parties1. The act was a response to decades of abuse of the federal civil service system since its inception in 17893. The act established the principle that federal jobs should be awarded on the basis of merit rather than through political connections45. The act made it illegal to fire or demote a government official for political reasons
Trump and his minions can't stand the fact that he can't arbitrarily fire and demonize at will any government functionaries whenever they carry out their duties and functions as required by established laws and regulations that in any way inconvenience him and his purely self-serving agenda. He wants to eliminate any personnel who will not vow absolute loyalty to him alone, rather than to the U.S. Constitution and the established laws that govern, or ought to govern our nation.
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Gunnar wrote:
Thu May 16, 2024 4:47 pm
ajax18 wrote:
Tue May 14, 2024 4:00 pm

The deep state controls the audits and the election data, the same deep state that has been willing to lie for Biden, suppress social media stories that cut against the Democrat media narrative. The left has the means motive and opportunity to cheat. I think some on here would even applaud cheating as a means to saving our democracy (meaning perpetual Democrat power and disenfranchisement of the right).
Will you please stop with this deep state nonsense! What Trump and his MAGA sycophants call "the deep state" are nothing more than the qualified personnel with the training and experience to carry out and maintain the day-to-functions of government without which the whole thing would collapse into an intractable mess. Most of these functions need to be carried out with consistency, continuity and efficiency, regardless of which political party happens to be in power. These personnel are just ordinary citizens like the rest of us and are not any more likely to be of any one particular party or political persuasion rather than another than are the rest of us. Since the passage of the Civil Service Act of 1883 the hiring and retention of these personnel has been based on merit and competence to do their job rather than the basis of the selfish, partisan whims and patronage of elected politicians, as used to be the case before the enactment of that act. See https://www.bing.com/search?pglt=43&q=c ... A1&PC=U531
The Civil Service Act of 1883, also known as the Pendleton Act, established a merit system of examinations for specific public service positions12345. The act was sponsored by Senator George H. Pendleton and created a bipartisan commission to oversee the merit system13. Applicants for the positions classified under the merit system were subject to competitive examinations1. The act transformed the civil service and greatly affected the organization of political parties1. The act was a response to decades of abuse of the federal civil service system since its inception in 17893. The act established the principle that federal jobs should be awarded on the basis of merit rather than through political connections45. The act made it illegal to fire or demote a government official for political reasons
He won't. He's addicted to fake outrage trolling.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Thu May 16, 2024 4:55 pm
He won't. He's addicted to fake outrage trolling.
Yes, I know. That is practically all he has. As I added to my last post, just before your last reply:
Trump and his minions can't stand the fact that he can't arbitrarily fire and demonize at will any government functionaries whenever they carry out their duties and functions as required by established laws and regulations that in any way inconvenience him and his purely self-serving agenda. He wants to eliminate any personnel who will not vow absolute loyalty to him alone, rather than to the U.S. Constitution and the established laws that govern, or ought to govern our nation.
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