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[doubtingthomas]

I don't seem to recall stating that on this board recently. Can you just find the post you are thinking of, and link to it?

I think there is a possibility you are thinking about somebody else.

Perhaps someday, it would take me a long time to find it.

[doubtingthomas]

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Sure, I made it all up, a s s h o l e.

Hey, DT. How’s your love life going these days?

- Doc

I am in a happy relationship with a woman.

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[Chap]

I don't seem to recall stating that on this board recently. Can you just find the post you are thinking of, and link to it?

I think there is a possibility you are thinking about somebody else.

Perhaps someday, it would take me a long time to find it.

OK. So until you do, this is my position:

On this board, doubtingthomas stated:

Chap was very clear when he said that 16 year old are adults.

I do not recall making any such statement on this board, and I do not believe that I did so. The claim by doubtingthomas to the contrary is, to the best of my knowledge, untrue, and that is backed up by a search of my recent posts. Since doubtingthomas can produce no evidence to back it up, I request that he should withdraw his claim.

[Gadianton]

Given how measured and careful Chap is in his communication on the board, I find it an extraordinary claim to say that Chap said in a universal, unqualified statement that 16-year-olds are adults in any thread where DT is participating or might possibly participate, as that would be incredibly reckless.

I'm not saying that DT is making it up, anymore than DT makes things up like, he's a prophet because he watched a pandemic video on Netflix where Bill Gates predicts a pandemic in the near future. Something may have been said and DT made an inference. DT is known to state his own inferences as unmitigated reality.

I'd say take the time to produce the quote, as it is an extraordinary claim.

[doubtingthomas]

Given how measured and careful Chap is in his communication on the board, I find it an extraordinary claim to say that Chap said in a universal, unqualified statement that 16-year-olds are adults in any thread where DT is participating or might possibly participate, as that would be incredibly reckless.

He did say that. But don't think he should be cancelled for saying that. You are also "careful" with your comments, but you said:

I'm neutral here. I couldn't care less if a 17-year-old dates a 26-year-old. I remember high school and even junior high well enough. I don't know what kind of schools people here went to, but at my high school the girls 16-17 could be pretty damn tough. There was a significant farming contingent at my school. In a history class I had as a junior, there was a group of "cowgirls" who basically surrounded me. No, they never talked to me except once, to make fun of a cute bunny picture I had for a craft. They talked in class all period, and it was all super adult talk. They all seemed to smoke and drink, and party like crazy, and have older boyfriends they were having constant sex with. Cowboys with jobs who did rodeo. They had no problem throwing details about their sex lives right out there and sounded consensual to me. Good for them and their boyfriends, what do I care?

In the UK, I don't think saying that "16 year olds are adults" would be the worst thing to say.

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[Gadianton]

In the UK, I don't think saying that "16 year olds are adults" would be the worst thing to say.

Before responding, I looked up UK law. I figured it wasn't my place to speculate on how you misrepresented what he possibly could have said, and so I left it at that. Now that you've gone there, I'm even more convinced you've interpreted something in your trademark way to get that alleged quote; if not fabricated it based on what you see as plausible backstory. If you're interested in people believing you, then you will look it up. Chap is not a frequent poster, he's concise, and it would take a few minutes to read a year or two of his posts.

He did say that. But don't think he should be cancelled for saying that. You are also "careful" with your comments, but you said:

Ha. Partial credit for a creative response. Yes, I'm also careful. The difference is Chap is more mature and proper than I am. I'm often serious, but I have no problem trolling or baiting; in this case, baiting you into incriminating yourself -- or simply being truthful, depending on how you want to look at it. As a troll, I'm careful, rather than unhinged like most other trolls. For instance, Binger.

I put my cards on the table a few posts ago and you're "going there", with your trademark DT version of a Socratic method. I not only have bait now, but a sign that says "bait" pointing to the bait. And that's because I want to win this argument with you. For me, winning isn't pointing out the errors in your reasoning, but getting you to come clean about your real concerns. I guess you win if I'm wrong about what your real concerns are.

[Chap]

Gadianton - thanks for your kind remarks!

Inspired by your words:

... I'm even more convinced you've interpreted something in your trademark way to get that alleged quote; if not fabricated it based on what you see as plausible backstory. If you're interested in people believing you, then you will look it up. Chap is not a frequent poster, he's concise, and it would take a few minutes to read a year or two of his posts.

I went to my control panel, chose 'show my posts', then put the word 'adult' in the search field. Result: 28 finds, in none of which is there a reference to a 16 year old being an adult.

So now I think I have the right to say with considerable certainty that I never said that "16 year olds are adults" as doubtingthomas claims I did. Will he withdraw his claim to that effect. Nah. But frankly, he is not worth wasting further time over.

Oh, and the age of adulthood in the UK? That was changed from 21 to 18 in England and Wales in the following act of parliament:


Family Law Reform Act 1969

Part I
Reduction of Age of Majority and Related Provisions

1 Reduction of age of majority from 21 to 18.
(1)As from the date on which this section comes into force a person shall attain full age on attaining the age of eighteen instead of on attaining the age of twenty-one; and a person shall attain full age on that date if he has then already attained the age of eighteen but not the age of twenty-one.

[doubtingthomas]

Before responding, I looked up UK law. I figured it wasn't my place to speculate on how you misrepresented what he possibly could have said, and so I left it at that. Now that you've gone there, I'm even more convinced you've interpreted something in your trademark way to get that alleged quote; if not fabricated it based on what you see as plausible backstory. If you're interested in people believing you, then you will look it up. Chap is not a frequent poster, he's concise, and it would take a few minutes to read a year or two of his posts.

Bull. Chap did say that, but that was several years ago, maybe in 2018. I do remember that because how could I forget that someone on this board said that

How about this. I'll take my time to find it. When I do, I'll quote him and give you the link. After that, you'll have to create two topics for me of my choice. Do we have a deal?

I went to my control panel, chose 'show my posts', then put the word 'adult' in the search field. Result: 28 finds, in none of which is there a reference to a 16 year old being an adult.

But your old account no longer exists.

I can still find what you said, but it'll take time. So, would you be willing to create two topics for me of my choice?

[doubtingthomas]

Okay. I haven't found where you said something like "Adults can do whatever they want, and that starts at 16".

However, I found this

As a parent, I want there to be clear rules in place to make it plain to teachers that in addition to the normal prohibition against adults having sexual relations with minors (which in my jurisdiction means those under 16), it is also an offence for someone in a high school teacher-pupil relationship to have sexual relations with a student.

Although I want the rules to be effectively enforced, I would personally be happy for any breach of the latter rule to be punishable by permanent exclusion from the teaching profession. I think that is sanction enough, and so long as no other law is broken or there are no special aggravating circumstances amounting to coercion (such as threatening bad grades to induce a sexual relationship), I don't feel the need to see anybody sent to prison.

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Gadianton - thanks for your kind remarks!

I think the quote above is good enough. I won't take my time to find where you said "starts at 16" or "begins at 16". You said something like that.

Unless you want to create two topics for me?

In the UK, I don't think saying that "16 year olds are adults" would be the worst thing to say.

Before responding, I looked up UK law. I figured it wasn't my place to speculate on how you misrepresented what he possibly could have said, and so I left it at that.

There is is buddy. I hope you don't disappear again all of the sudden.