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Gadianton wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:43 pm
It just depends on why the aforementioned doesn't like Trump. I have every reason to believe that the aforementioned is as gung ho for Christian Nationalism as Mike Johnson. If that's true, then Trump is his guy whether he wants it that way or not. Trump is the messiah for the Christian Nationalist.

I've mentioned my belief that Trump is an anti-hero before, I do believe that, but that's more about where non-thinking people are at in their entertainment narrative cycle. I think it's most likely for Christian Nationalism to win under a strong and corrupt leader. In theory, that leader could be a baby-faced Mike Johnson who checks the boxes Trump doesn't check: has read the Bible, goes to church, believes in Jesus, speaks normally, and overall is a polished human being. Would the aforementioned be okay with someone like MJ instead? My opinion is that most of the MAGA leaders score lower on the personal morality chart than Trump. Trump has had what I consider to be some decent impulses, and is left confused by the hateful and paranoid demands of his Christian base -- religion poisons everything, as they say. But like Aaron, if the Children of Israel want the calf of gold, he'll have it built. He knows who he works for.

Why is Trump better than a "straight-laced" Christian for the role of messiah? Trump can unite the right better than anyone else because he has no personal beliefs other than support Trump. That's powerful. What's the future of Mormonism if Christian Nationalism wins, when the Mormon vote isn't needed anymore? Trump's abject ignorance about religion is a huge selling point. It's not only that Trump has no beliefs about God, but in that regard, he can't be corrupted. That means 1) he has no theological prejudices against Mormonism (or insert denomination here) 2) he is incapable of being persuaded against any denomination, because he doesn't know anything about religion and is likely incapable of learning. Imagine a Trump pastor trying to convince Trump about some doctrinal minutia that has him in a pastor war with another church, even if it's a fellow Trump church with plenty of hate. Trump is going to be like, "Well, these people seem to like me, so what's the problem?"

I think Trump does well when he stands back and lets his base fantasize about his messiahship and he gets checked when he pushes it. Like when he sold those Bibles, I don't think it went over well with his base. He's at his best when he misquotes or invents Bible passages and evades questions about his own religiosity. Once the left is out of the way and we're living in a Christian autocracy, who will wield the power? What versions of Christian belief are acceptable? What creeds are deemed correct and what creeds will be illegal? A haplessly neutral messiah will be best for that transition.
This just really, really makes me hope that Jesus IS coming back and very soon........ even if I don't believe it.
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Trump:

The election is rigged - unless I win.
The news is fake - unless it is flattering.
Everything is a hoax - unless I say it.
Nepotism is bad - unless it benefits my family.
I am rich - But you can’t see my taxes.
I am smart – But you can’t see my grades.
I am successful – But my businesses fail.
I’m innocent - I am suing to keep records from the January 6th committee.
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“Blunder, the Effed Up Mind.”
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
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hauslern wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:03 am
Trump:

The election is rigged - unless I win.
The news is fake - unless it is flattering.
Everything is a hoax - unless I say it.
Nepotism is bad - unless it benefits my family.
I am rich - But you can’t see my taxes.
I am smart – But you can’t see my grades.
I am successful – But my businesses fail.
I’m innocent - I am suing to keep records from the January 6th committee.
I wish Texas would require this poster for their classroom walls.
Cry Heaven and let loose the Penguins of Peace
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Re: Sad for Dr. Peterson

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Moksha wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:00 pm
hauslern wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2024 9:03 am
Trump:

The election is rigged - unless I win.
The news is fake - unless it is flattering.
Everything is a hoax - unless I say it.
Nepotism is bad - unless it benefits my family.
I am rich - But you can’t see my taxes.
I am smart – But you can’t see my grades.
I am successful – But my businesses fail.
I’m innocent - I am suing to keep records from the January 6th committee.
I wish Texas would require this poster for their classroom walls.
We would hope it would be in Utah also, but alas their faith in naïvété and ignorant lack of careful and critical thinking might prevent them from actually grasping the meaning....
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Kishkumen wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:23 am
“Blunder, the Effed Up Mind.”
I hope someone here got the joke. I was giving Noel’s poem a title based on the famous Gnostic poem, “Thunder, The Perfect Mind.”
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
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Kishkumen wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2024 11:33 am
Kishkumen wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:23 am
“Blunder, the Effed Up Mind.”
I hope someone here got the joke. I was giving Noel’s poem a title based on the famous Gnostic poem, “Thunder, The Perfect Mind.”
I did!
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Manetho wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2024 1:21 pm
I did!
Thanks, Manetho!!!

8-)
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
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Marjorie Taylor-Greene was being interviewed on Australian TV about Assange. She was also asked about January 6th and said it was like a nonviolent visit, a holiday jaunt. What do we expect this time around if Trump does not win? Hang Kamala Harris? How come you Americans elect someone like Marjorie Taylor-Greene? She screams at other members through their mail box opening, screaming "Put your big pants on."
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hauslern wrote:
Wed Jun 26, 2024 7:56 pm
Marjorie Taylor-Greene was being interviewed on Australian TV about Assange. She was also asked about Jan 6th and said it was like a nonviolent visit, a holiday jaunt. What do we expect this time around if Trump does not win? Hang Kamala Harris? How come you Americans elect someone like Marjorie Taylor-Greene? She screams at other members through their mail box opening, screaming "Put your big pants on."
Yeah, she's a complete idiot and a loser. What can I say? Other politicians in the Western world are similarly crazy. We're not alone in having nut bars elected to legislatures.
"I have learned with what evils tyranny infects a state. For it frustrates all the virtues, robs freedom of its lofty mood, and opens a school of fawning and terror, inasmuch as it leaves matters not to the wisdom of the laws, but to the angry whim of those who are in authority.”
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