Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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Morley wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:59 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:30 pm


Wow. That’s a simplistic way of looking at things. I would have thought more of you.

Another form of apathy.

I’ll have to concede that diving into these links I’ve provided are not for the faint of heart. It’s pretty deep stuff. Scientific even.

That can scare some folks away.

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Why does the Church leave this stuff to hobbyists to explain? Why are dentists, retired elementary school teachers, and professors of Arabic the ones doing all the heavy lifting? We have more than 100 general authorities. All are silent, except when it comes to spouting faith promoting aphorisms. Why aren't they the ones opining on the Ghost Committee or why Joesph slept with his babysitter? Is their silence also apathy?
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Morley wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:59 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:30 pm
Wow. That’s a simplistic way of looking at things. I would have thought more of you.

Another form of apathy.

I’ll have to concede that diving into these links I’ve provided are not for the faint of heart. It’s pretty deep stuff. Scientific even.

That can scare some folks away.

Regards,
MG
Why does the Church leave this stuff to hobbyists to explain? Why are dentists, retired elementary school teachers, and professors of Arabic the ones doing all the heavy lifting? We have more than 100 general authorities. All are silent, except when it comes to spouting faith promoting aphorisms. Why aren't they the ones opining on the Ghost Committee or why Joesph slept with his babysitter? Is their silence also apathy?
That is not their stewardship/calling/mission/expertise.

But you already knew that.

Are you trying to push off/away your own responsibility to learn?

What are your thoughts as you have ‘dug deeply’ into word print studies? Years ago I found this to be quite informative and interesting. It did cause me to question my then current thinking that ‘Joseph did it’. It also caused me to question the Spaulding Theory which for a period of time troubled me.

I’m glad that I ‘stuck with it’ as far as the church is concerned. It has made all the difference for me. :)

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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:02 pm
Morley wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:59 pm
Why does the Church leave this stuff to hobbyists to explain? Why are dentists, retired elementary school teachers, and professors of Arabic the ones doing all the heavy lifting? We have more than 100 general authorities. All are silent, except when it comes to spouting faith promoting aphorisms. Why aren't they the ones opining on the Ghost Committee or why Joesph slept with his babysitter? Is their silence also apathy?
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Thank you for not bringing my mother into it this time with your disgusting posts. This one is actually kind of cute. Well done.

As you’ve studied BifM stylometry studies/research have you also taken a somewhat ‘meh’ response to it like Morley has?

Just wondering.

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Morley wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:00 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:53 pm
So you ARE apathetic.

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MG
If the GAs don't care, why should I?
Up to you Morley. No one is forcing you to learn. Like they say, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink. ;)

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Morley wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:59 pm
Why does the Church leave this stuff to hobbyists to explain? Why are dentists, retired elementary school teachers, and professors of Arabic the ones doing all the heavy lifting? We have more than 100 general authorities. All are silent, except when it comes to spouting faith promoting aphorisms. Why aren't they the ones opining on the Ghost Committee or why Joesph slept with his babysitter? Is their silence also apathy?
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:06 pm
That is not their stewardship/calling/mission/expertise.

But you already knew that.
Really? It's not the job of a prophet or an apostle to explain the workings or theology of God? It's the job of dentists and elementary school teachers? Are these ordained ministries? When were you set aside for this job?

When Joseph and Brigham were here, they gave all kinds of guidance and theory. When did the apathy set in for the current batch of prophets?
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:11 pm
Morley wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:00 pm


If the GAs don't care, why should I?
Up to you Morley. No one is forcing you to learn. Like they say, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink. ;)

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MG

Why should I care if you yourself don't care enough to summarize your links in your own words?

Why should I care if the prophets don't?
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Morley wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:16 pm
Morley wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 5:59 pm
Why does the Church leave this stuff to hobbyists to explain? Why are dentists, retired elementary school teachers, and professors of Arabic the ones doing all the heavy lifting? We have more than 100 general authorities. All are silent, except when it comes to spouting faith promoting aphorisms. Why aren't they the ones opining on the Ghost Committee or why Joesph slept with his babysitter? Is their silence also apathy?
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:06 pm
That is not their stewardship/calling/mission/expertise.

But you already knew that.
Really? It's not the job of a prophet or an apostle to explain the workings or theology of God? It's the job of dentists and elementary school teachers? Are these ordained ministries? When were you set aside for this job?

When Joseph and Brigham were here, they gave all kinds of guidance and theory. When did the apathy set in for the current batch of prophets?
It’s interesting to me that you’re even taking this approach. You are avoiding the personal responsibility that you have to either increase or decrease your own faith and testimony. You are putting it on someone else.

This is not the first time I’ve run across this way of thinking on this board.

It is a fallacious way of approaching things in my opinion.

We are commanded to study it out in our OWN minds.

Lazy minds are unwilling to do that. Who is to know that some General Authorities have not visited some of these ‘scientifically inclined’ sites and followed the research done by experts that have the skills necessary to do the research.

Your response is just another example of trying to lay things that you are uncomfortable with at the feet of ‘the church’.

You are responsible for your own salvation. Not someone else. Playing the ‘blame game’ will not get YOU anywhere…except possibly to a place of non belief.

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Morley wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:20 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:11 pm
Up to you Morley. No one is forcing you to learn. Like they say, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink. ;)

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MG
Why should I care if you yourself don't care enough to summarize your links in your own words?

Why should I care if the prophets don't?
You…you…choose what to care about. No one can force you to care about anything.

YOU have to do your OWN footwork.

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https://scripturecentral.org/knowhy/is- ... -of-Mormon

https://dl.icdst.org/pdfs/files4/ce5a24 ... 0b72be.pdf

https://archive.bookofmormoncentral.org ... 25-253.pdf

Reposting links to Book of Mormon stylometry studies for those that don’t want to take the time to go back and find them.

You’re welcome!

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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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Morley wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:20 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:11 pm
Up to you Morley. No one is forcing you to learn. Like they say, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make them drink. ;)

Regards,
MG
Why should I care if you yourself don't care enough to summarize your links in your own words?

Why should I care if the prophets don't?
“I have a hard time with historians because they idolize the truth. The truth is not uplifting; it destroys. I could tell most of the secretaries in the church office building that they are ugly and fat. That would be the truth, but it would hurt and destroy them. Historians should tell only that part of the truth that is inspiring and uplifting.”

Boyd K. Packer

Packer was right. The truth is that the Book of Mormon contains errors from the 17th Century. That’s what historians have discovered. And it’s not uplifting if you want to maintain a belief that the Book of Mormon was 100% written by ancient Prophets prior to the end of the 1st Century. Which is unfortunate because that is the hill the Book of Mormon has been set up to die on.

1. The Book of Mormon was 100% written in the 1st Century or earlier.
2. The Book of Mormon contains unique written errors, verbatim, that were made by people producing the KJV Bible in the 17th Century.

Mutually exclusive statements. One of them is factually correct, the other isn’t.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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