Jacob Hansen: Yesser No?

[Rivendale]

This wasn't the translation only the GAEL.

Which someone would know had they followed the links you provided and read the content there.

This is an example of placing motivated reasoning into someone else's actions. It seems to be reflexive when troubling information arises. This is what I mean by broken epistemological framework. Mormonism warps critical thinking and uses those resources to defend at all costs.

[I Have Questions]

Which someone would know had they followed the links you provided and read the content there.

This is an example of placing motivated reasoning into someone else's actions. It seems to be reflexive when troubling information arises. This is what I mean by broken epistemological framework. Mormonism warps critical thinking and uses those resources to defend at all costs.

Yes. Apologists and defenders aren’t really apologists and defenders, they’re denialists.

[MG 2.0]

This is an example of placing motivated reasoning into someone else's actions. It seems to be reflexive when troubling information arises. This is what I mean by broken epistemological framework. Mormonism warps critical thinking and uses those resources to defend at all costs.

Yes. Apologists and defenders aren’t really apologists and defenders, they’re denialists.

Denying what? God?

Regards,
MG

[Rivendale]

Yes. Apologists and defenders aren’t really apologists and defenders, they’re denialists.

Denying what? God?

Regards,
MG

What? Did you read it? APOLOGISTS are denialists. Every single truth claim in Mormonism favors the critic.

[I Have Questions]

Denying what? God? Regards, MG

What? Did you read it? APOLOGISTS are denialists. Every single truth claim in Mormonism favors the critic.

Joseph Fielding Smith when President of the Q12 said (and published)

"While the statement has been made by some writers that the Prophet Joseph Smith used a seer stone part of the time in his translating of the record, and information points to the fact that he did have in his possession such a stone, yet there is no authentic statement in the history of the Church which states that the use of such a stone was made in that translation. The information is all hearsay, and personally, I do not believe that this stone was used for this purpose." (Doctrines of Salvation p588)

Denialism. The Church and apologists have denied over time key facts regarding Church history and Church doctrine. And, over time, have been shown to be in error. JFS even went so far as to rip pages out of a book to deny other versions of the First Vision existed. Even regarding its own finances the Church has hidden the truth. The Church is all about denialism. It (and its apologists) have proven over time that they cannot be trusted to be a source of truth, unless that truth has already been disclosed by a third party.

[Hound of Heaven]

Seems like cult member. Don’t we see these types of people in Scientology and MAGA?

You have been duped. If you listen to these folks you will continue to be duped. Just listen...on your own... to his YouTube channel and make your own determination. If you still think he's cultish then, well, that is YOUR determination. But don't cave into the jaundiced views of those you are interacting with here. That is, if you are truly seeking for truth from all quarters.

I wish you well.

Regards,
MG

I followed your suggestion and visited Hansen's YouTube channel, where I watched several of his videos. Here is my analysis of Jacob.

The version of Mormonism he advocates is entirely different from the one I was raised in. First and foremost, similar to many contemporary Mormons, he asserts that Mormons belong to the broader Christian community, a notion that would have been considered blasphemous in my time!

I believe that if I had a one-on-one conversation with Jacob, similar to many contemporary Mormons, with some gentle encouragement, I would find that most Mormons hold the view that they are the true Christians, while they perceive other churches as merely "playing church" pretending to be part of the faith.

For a typical Mormon, Christianity holds the same value as atheism; both Christians and atheists are destined for spirit prison, where they may eventually receive teachings from Mormons. In spirit prison, a Christian does not receive special treatment based on their faith. In this realm, Christians, atheists, Jews, Muslims, and those of other religions or no religion are all on equal footing, deemed unworthy to be in the presence of God until they accept the gospel taught by Mormons here on earth.

Jacob presents himself as a quintessential Mormon male who seems to believe that his pinky possesses more influence than the entire Catholic Church has accumulated over its 2000-year history.

MG2.0, you understand that central to Mormonism is the aim to persuade all people that it is the sole true religion on earth, implying that everyone else is misled? When Jacob speaks, he presents himself as if he considers himself among the elite; can you not perceive his arrogance?

[MG 2.0]

You have been duped. If you listen to these folks you will continue to be duped. Just listen...on your own... to his YouTube channel and make your own determination. If you still think he's cultish then, well, that is YOUR determination. But don't cave into the jaundiced views of those you are interacting with here. That is, if you are truly seeking for truth from all quarters.

I wish you well.

Regards,
MG

I followed your suggestion and visited Hansen's YouTube channel, where I watched several of his videos. Here is my analysis of Jacob.

The version of Mormonism he advocates is entirely different from the one I was raised in. First and foremost, similar to many contemporary Mormons, he asserts that Mormons belong to the broader Christian community, a notion that would have been considered blasphemous in my time!

I believe that if I had a one-on-one conversation with Jacob, similar to many contemporary Mormons, with some gentle encouragement, I would find that most Mormons hold the view that they are the true Christians, while they perceive other churches as merely "playing church" pretending to be part of the faith.

For a typical Mormon, Christianity holds the same value as atheism; both Christians and atheists are destined for spirit prison, where they may eventually receive teachings from Mormons. In spirit prison, a Christian does not receive special treatment based on their faith. In this realm, Christians, atheists, Jews, Muslims, and those of other religions or no religion are all on equal footing, deemed unworthy to be in the presence of God until they accept the gospel taught by Mormons here on earth.

Jacob presents himself as a quintessential Mormon male who seems to believe that his pinky possesses more influence than the entire Catholic Church has accumulated over its 2000-year history.

MG2.0, you understand that central to Mormonism is the aim to persuade all people that it is the sole true religion on earth, implying that everyone else is misled? When Jacob speaks, he presents himself as if he considers himself among the elite; can you not perceive his arrogance?

The emphasis towards ecumenism has increased dramatically in my lifetime, and yours. I see that as a positive thing. I think that Section 76 does a pretty good job of explaining the breadth and depth of God's willingness and ability to save all souls who don't reject Him outright after KNOWING him.

Jacob Hansen does take a strong position in regards to Mormonism's truth claims. But I can't fault him for that. I do hope that his position and popularity doesn't go to his head though. I've seen too many examples in which the 'praise of the world' becomes the driving force for what a person does and the choices they make.

Regards,
MG

[Hound of Heaven]

I followed your suggestion and visited Hansen's YouTube channel, where I watched several of his videos. Here is my analysis of Jacob.

The version of Mormonism he advocates is entirely different from the one I was raised in. First and foremost, similar to many contemporary Mormons, he asserts that Mormons belong to the broader Christian community, a notion that would have been considered blasphemous in my time!

I believe that if I had a one-on-one conversation with Jacob, similar to many contemporary Mormons, with some gentle encouragement, I would find that most Mormons hold the view that they are the true Christians, while they perceive other churches as merely "playing church" pretending to be part of the faith.

For a typical Mormon, Christianity holds the same value as atheism; both Christians and atheists are destined for spirit prison, where they may eventually receive teachings from Mormons. In spirit prison, a Christian does not receive special treatment based on their faith. In this realm, Christians, atheists, Jews, Muslims, and those of other religions or no religion are all on equal footing, deemed unworthy to be in the presence of God until they accept the gospel taught by Mormons here on earth.

Jacob presents himself as a quintessential Mormon male who seems to believe that his pinky possesses more influence than the entire Catholic Church has accumulated over its 2000-year history.

MG2.0, you understand that central to Mormonism is the aim to persuade all people that it is the sole true religion on earth, implying that everyone else is misled? When Jacob speaks, he presents himself as if he considers himself among the elite; can you not perceive his arrogance?

The emphasis towards ecumenism has increased dramatically in my lifetime, and yours. I see that as a positive thing. I think that Section 76 does a pretty good job of explaining the breadth and depth of God's willingness and ability to save all souls who don't reject Him outright after KNOWING him.

Jacob Hansen does take a strong position in regards to Mormonism's truth claims. But I can't fault him for that. I do hope that his position and popularity doesn't go to his head though. I've seen too many examples in which the 'praise of the world' becomes the driving force for what a person does and the choices they make.

Regards,
MG

However, MG2.0, the essence of Mormonism is not centered on unity among Christian churches; in fact, pure Mormonism, which represents the restored gospel of Christ, asserts that Christianity is a false gospel. In my time, Mormons viewed Christianity as a collection of false religions that had been shaped by paganism over thousands of years.

Now, I see why Mormons strive to present themselves as Christians in a conventional way, yet it contradicts the core teachings of the restored gospel. How can a member of the Mormon church identify as a Christian when the restored gospel teaches that Christianity was and is a corrupted version of the true and restored gospel of Christ, which is Mormonism?

Jacob wants to have it both ways. He wants to say he's a Christian while preaching against Christianity.

[MG 2.0]

The emphasis towards ecumenism has increased dramatically in my lifetime, and yours. I see that as a positive thing. I think that Section 76 does a pretty good job of explaining the breadth and depth of God's willingness and ability to save all souls who don't reject Him outright after KNOWING him.

Jacob Hansen does take a strong position in regards to Mormonism's truth claims. But I can't fault him for that. I do hope that his position and popularity doesn't go to his head though. I've seen too many examples in which the 'praise of the world' becomes the driving force for what a person does and the choices they make.

Regards,
MG

However, MG2.0, the essence of Mormonism is not centered on unity among Christian churches; in fact, pure Mormonism, which represents the restored gospel of Christ, asserts that Christianity is a false gospel. In my time, Mormons viewed Christianity as a collection of false religions that had been shaped by paganism over thousands of years.

Now, I see why Mormons strive to present themselves as Christians in a conventional way, yet it contradicts the core teachings of the restored gospel. How can a member of the Mormon church identify as a Christian when the restored gospel teaches that Christianity was and is a corrupted version of the true and restored gospel of Christ, which is Mormonism?

Jacob wants to have it both ways. He wants to say he's a Christian while preaching against Christianity.

It is true that the LDS Church makes the claim to have the authority to administer the ordinances of salvation/exaltation. Beyond that Joseph Smith made it pretty clear that all men are free to worship who or what they may. Sure, if Christianity changed qualitatively from the time of Jesus one might expect it to be referred to as "corrupt". Changed. But entirely lost? Of course not. As I mentioned, again, section 76 comes into play along with proxy work for the dead.

Regards,
MG

[Rivendale]

Listen to Jacob and Jim Bennet go at it and tell me if Jacob is just asking questions. https://youtu.be/RqzuxX7Fwrw?si=ULhUKGlmY83X9SyE