Happy Birthday President Nelson!

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Jonathan Rauch:
I'm an atheistic homosexual Jew. And my first encounter in my world with activities of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was in 2008 when the Church dived into the Proposition 8 battle in California seeking successfully to overturn same-sex marriage, which has been the leading cause of my career, marriage equality for gay people like me.
What then unfolded over time was completely unexpected and truly remarkable in the context of today's culture wars. The church had a rethink, and in Utah, it went and got together with the Utah Equality Group, the LGBT rights group. Over a period of four or five years, it built trust and relationships with them,
and the result of this was the now famous Utah Compromise of 2015, which extended anti-discrimination protections to LGBT people, and added important religious exemptions for all churches, including Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. This, people hoped, would become a template for other states, because instead of zero-sum culture wars, it's saying, let's expand the space
for both of these very different groups to go on about our way in a pluralistic culture. Peacemaking is not just something you preach or something you teach. It's something you do, and it's very, very hard. It took years of work to get that compromise, but the church wasn't done. Here's what astonishes me even more.
I won't get into the legislative history, but in 2022, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, among some other religious groups, Seventh-day Adventists were involved and some others, helped push through Congress successfully the Respect for Marriage Act, similar in many ways to the Utah Compromise.
It enshrined same-sex marriage in federal law in case the Supreme Court ever overturns it. So it's now written into statute, recognition of same-sex marriages. along with some very important provisions ensuring the federal government will never use its power to force same-sex marriage on churches, including this one. This was very hard fought,
but it passed with unanimous Democratic support and very significant Republican support It brought brickbats down upon the church from the culture wars crowd who said homosexual marriage is a sin. Why are you helping it? What's astonishing about it, and I say this as a gay American, this is not a church that is squishy about homosexuality.
This is a church that teaches that people like me who are in openly gay relationships are committing a sin. And you can be excommunicated from the church if you openly and proudly engage in that sin. Yet this church went to bat for my secular right in secular law to be married to my husband, Michael,
while also finding ways to expand the space for religious communities to go their separate ways. That's what peacemaking really is. It is so profoundly counter-cultural at this moment to take this difficult route of, as President Oaks of the church calls it, patience, negotiation, and mutual accommodation.
It's so difficult to do that, yet President Nelson and the church have proven to me that they mean every word that they say. And they are acting, not only teaching, but acting according to the message of their God. And that is something that impresses me deeply.
I went out to Provo in January and gave a talk there and was fortunate that there were some members of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, top leaders of the church, and I was able to tell them what I'll tell you. Very presumptuous. I mean, you know, atheistic homosexual Jew telling the church what to do.
But what I said, President Nelson's teaching about civic peacemaking, this is a witness not just for the church. This has to be a witness for the entire country. The church must bring this message across the land.
https://www.faithmatters.org/p/presiden ... ons-legacy
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MG
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MG wrote:Since President Nelson has been prophet there has been a significant increase in humanitarian aid. In 2024 alone, the church spent $1.45 billion on welfare, aid, and other relief efforts, supporting 3,800 humanitarian projects across 192 countries and territories.
Since third-party watch groups and defectors from Church finance departments have exposed the financial abuse and held the Church accountable, they've done a little better. Nelson would keep all that cash for himself if it were up to him.

My favorite Nelson story is his lie about surviving a near plane crash. lol.

He's successful by worldly CEO standards, I'll give him that. Your standard sociopath.
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President Nelson re-emphasized the centrality of Jesus Christ in the Church’s name, teachings, and symbol. He led sweeping changes in church programs, temple building, and worship practices.

https://www.faithmatters.org/p/presiden ... ons-legacy

It seems rather evident that no one actually listened to the video presentation so I thought it might be useful to put some positive vibes out there from the transcript.

Again, Happy Birthday President Nelson!!

Regards,
MG
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Sep 10, 2025 1:38 am
President Nelson re-emphasized the centrality of Jesus Christ in the Church’s name, teachings, and symbol. He led sweeping changes in church programs, temple building, and worship practices.

https://www.faithmatters.org/p/presiden ... ons-legacy

It seems rather evident that no one actually listened to the video presentation so I thought it might be useful to put some positive vibes out there from the transcript.

Again, Happy Birthday President Nelson!!

Regards,
MG
President Nelson doesn't care about Christ, he cares about the negative connotations of the word "Mormon", but that brand is so deeply ingrained it will never be reversed. And in his foolishness and hubris, he tried to equate the name of Jesus Christ exclusively with the Mormon church. Pretty lame.
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Sep 10, 2025 1:38 am
President Nelson re-emphasized the centrality of Jesus Christ in the Church’s name, teachings, and symbol. He led sweeping changes in church programs, temple building, and worship practices.

https://www.faithmatters.org/p/presiden ... ons-legacy

It seems rather evident that no one actually listened to the video presentation so I thought it might be useful to put some positive vibes out there from the transcript.

Again, Happy Birthday President Nelson!!
Fibber,

It's a real testament to Rusty's leadership that he has so successfully brought the church's focus back to Jesus, what with all the distracting name changes, fabricated stories, SEC scandals, Nordic Jesus logo redesigns, and the endless construction of new temples that will never be used and/or built. And who could forget his one and only 2015 revelation that was revoked 3 years later. With prophets like Rusty, who needs enemies?

Happy Birthday Rusty!
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For the record, there are more people wishing him a happy birthday here than over at DCP’s blog post comment section.
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Sep 10, 2025 1:18 am
President Nelson pursued a friendship and partnership with the NAACP and a commitment to rooting out racism. He led a dramatic expansion of temple building across the globe.
https://www.faithmatters.org/p/presiden ... ons-legacy

Regards,
MG
How many black Apostles has he appointed? How many black people spoke at the last General Conference?
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Sep 10, 2025 1:29 am
Jonathan Rauch:
I'm an atheistic homosexual Jew. And my first encounter in my world with activities of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was in 2008 when the Church dived into the Proposition 8 battle in California seeking successfully to overturn same-sex marriage, which has been the leading cause of my career, marriage equality for gay people like me.
What then unfolded over time was completely unexpected and truly remarkable in the context of today's culture wars. The church had a rethink, and in Utah, it went and got together with the Utah Equality Group, the LGBT rights group. Over a period of four or five years, it built trust and relationships with them,
and the result of this was the now famous Utah Compromise of 2015, which extended anti-discrimination protections to LGBT people, and added important religious exemptions for all churches, including Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. This, people hoped, would become a template for other states, because instead of zero-sum culture wars, it's saying, let's expand the space
for both of these very different groups to go on about our way in a pluralistic culture. Peacemaking is not just something you preach or something you teach. It's something you do, and it's very, very hard. It took years of work to get that compromise, but the church wasn't done. Here's what astonishes me even more.
I won't get into the legislative history, but in 2022, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, among some other religious groups, Seventh-day Adventists were involved and some others, helped push through Congress successfully the Respect for Marriage Act, similar in many ways to the Utah Compromise.
It enshrined same-sex marriage in federal law in case the Supreme Court ever overturns it. So it's now written into statute, recognition of same-sex marriages. along with some very important provisions ensuring the federal government will never use its power to force same-sex marriage on churches, including this one. This was very hard fought,
but it passed with unanimous Democratic support and very significant Republican support It brought brickbats down upon the church from the culture wars crowd who said homosexual marriage is a sin. Why are you helping it? What's astonishing about it, and I say this as a gay American, this is not a church that is squishy about homosexuality.
This is a church that teaches that people like me who are in openly gay relationships are committing a sin. And you can be excommunicated from the church if you openly and proudly engage in that sin. Yet this church went to bat for my secular right in secular law to be married to my husband, Michael,
while also finding ways to expand the space for religious communities to go their separate ways. That's what peacemaking really is. It is so profoundly counter-cultural at this moment to take this difficult route of, as President Oaks of the church calls it, patience, negotiation, and mutual accommodation.
It's so difficult to do that, yet President Nelson and the church have proven to me that they mean every word that they say. And they are acting, not only teaching, but acting according to the message of their God. And that is something that impresses me deeply.
I went out to Provo in January and gave a talk there and was fortunate that there were some members of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, top leaders of the church, and I was able to tell them what I'll tell you. Very presumptuous. I mean, you know, atheistic homosexual Jew telling the church what to do.
But what I said, President Nelson's teaching about civic peacemaking, this is a witness not just for the church. This has to be a witness for the entire country. The church must bring this message across the land.
https://www.faithmatters.org/p/presiden ... ons-legacy
Regards,
MG
He has definitely reversed the strategy of going after gay people who aren’t members of the Church. Which was an awful look for the Church under Monson. But unless I’m mistaken, he’s done nothing to change his own organisation. Expect for that revelation about not wanting the kids of gay people in the Church, or that one where transgender women who had been attending Relief Society were suddenly barred and told to attend Priesthood lessons from then on.
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Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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One does have to acknowledge Nelson’s achievement in delivering the two hour Sunday service. There’s definitely that.
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Nelson will soon be dead, and the Church will still be fundamentally the same racist, homophobic, misogynistic institution. He won’t have moved the needle on any of that. His successor, Oaks, won’t move it either. I suppose we ought to assess his tenure by the categories of his job description, the things he is supposed to deliver:

How many successful Prophecies has Nelson made?
How many examples of Seership can you think of?
How many Revelations has he given?

Can you list some specific examples of those things MG?
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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