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Trump is all over the new doc dump.

https://imgur.com/a/this-was-posted-qui ... wn-uDBPkih
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[url]chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.justice.gov/Epstein/files/D ... 028716.pdf[/url]
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¥akaSteelhead wrote:
Fri Jan 30, 2026 7:10 pm
Trump is all over the new doc dump.

https://imgur.com/a/this-was-posted-qui ... wn-uDBPkih
It is quite clear from that material that Trump was an enthusiastic participant in what the text calls 'orgies' involving young women.

The post linked is said to have been 'posted and quickly taken down'. But posted where, please?
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Chap wrote:
Fri Jan 30, 2026 9:51 pm
¥akaSteelhead wrote:
Fri Jan 30, 2026 7:10 pm
Trump is all over the new doc dump.

https://imgur.com/a/this-was-posted-qui ... wn-uDBPkih
It is quite clear from that material that Trump was an enthusiastic participant in what the text calls 'orgies' involving young women.

The post linked is said to have been 'posted and quickly taken down'. But posted where, please?
On the Department of Justice website.
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But ... but ... that can't be true, because the DoJ said clearly that they had not done anything to protect President Trump!
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Was that incompentance or an intentional leak?
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Fri Jan 30, 2026 10:29 pm
Was that incompentance or an intentional leak?
The material posted should certainly have been publicly released. It had undergone redaction sufficient to remove the names of any victims, and the law provided that all the Epstein material should be released. It was not a leak.

What is concerning is that fact that it was allegedly taken down after being posted. If that was done, it looks like some one in the DoJ is trying to shield Trump, or else the White House is exercising illegitimate pressure on the DoJ.

By the way, isn't it an interesting coincidence that this release should happen just as Trump's attack on Iran is about to launch?
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A Guardian live webpage says:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/liv ... st-updates
One of the documents getting the most attention online is an email from 2020 that includes uncorroborated tips about Trump’s own alleged involvement with Epstein’s victims that were made to the FBI’s National Threat Operations Center.

The document, which was briefly inaccessible after it was posted, has been described as “incriminating Trump” by some critics, but the justice department provided a statement to the Guardian calling these uncorroborated tips “fake”.

Here is the justice department statement to the Guardian:

“This production may include fake or falsely submitted images, documents or videos, as everything that was sent to the FBI by the public was included in the production that is responsive to the Act. Some of the documents contain untrue and sensationalist claims against President Trump that were submitted to the FBI right before the 2020 election. To be clear, the claims are unfounded and false, and if they have a shred of credibility, they certainly would have been weaponized against President Trump already.”

It is impossible to verify, from the partially redacted document, if one element of the justice department statement is true. The document is a series of emails with what appear to be screenshots from another document, rounding up what someone in the FBI refers to as “Trump accusers”. Those emails were sent in August 2020, three months before that year’s election that Trump went on to lose. But the names of the accusers, and any information about when the tips were called in to the FBI, is not included in what was made public, so we have no way of knowing when the accusations were made.
Sounds like the material was taken down and then restored.
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canpakes wrote:
Fri Jan 30, 2026 4:55 am
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It appears that Trump’s promise to make housing more affordable has been tossed aside, in favor of making houses less affordable.
Democrats knock Trump’s pledge to ‘drive housing prices up’

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BY ELLIOTT DAVIS 01/29/26 07:58 PM ET

Democratic lawmakers on Thursday slammed President Trump over comments he made about wanting to “drive housing prices up” for people who own their homes, with one congresswoman telling followers that he “doesn’t care about making your life more affordable.”

During a Cabinet meeting earlier Thursday, the president said he wants to keep homeowners “wealthy.”

“We’re not going to destroy the value of their homes so that somebody that didn’t work very hard can buy a home,” he said. “I don’t want to drive housing prices down. I want to drive housing prices up for people who own their homes. And they can be assured that’s what’s going to happen.”

Several Democrats in both the House and Senate clapped back at the president.

“Are you trying to buy your first home? Trump wants your prices to go up,” Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.) wrote on the social platform X. “But sure Donald, keep saying affordability is a hoax.”

Rep. Jason Crow (D-Colo.), who previously clashed with the president over his appearance in a video in which he and other lawmakers told members of the military they can refuse illegal orders, also criticized Trump’s remarks on X.

“Millions of hardworking folks can’t afford to buy—and the President’s tariffs are making it even more expensive,” Crow wrote.

Rep. Suzan DelBene (D-Wash.) added in her own post, “Millions of families are struggling to afford a roof over their heads & Trump’s response is to increase the price of housing. He doesn’t care about making your life more affordable.”

Housing prices have spiked recently, outpacing overall inflation. The median sale price of a home in December was $429,000, up by more than 28 percent relative to December 2020, according to data compiled by Redfin.
https://thehill.com/business/5714094-tr ... crats/amp/
This is one of the most outrageous things Trump is doing! This is incontrovertible proof that Trump could not care less about actually making life more affordable for Americans in general. Whom does this help other than the already wealthy who already own homes and/or make their living from buying and selling real estate, like Trump? How can this fail to further impoverish the already impoverished and vastly increase numbers of people who are homeless? Why does it make any sense to make it nearly impossible for aspiring first time homeowners to afford the cost of a home?

Why is low-income housing reprehensible for anyone other than greedy realtors who care only about maximizing their profits from selling maximally expensive homes to the wealthiest of the wealthy?

Why doesn't it make more sense to maximize profits by selling greater numbers of affordable homes to ordinary, average people than by concentrating on making homes that are so expensive that very few can afford to buy them?
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This home affordability crisis and homelessness crisis seem particularly ridiculous when we consider the fact that there are far more vacant homes in America than there are homeless people.

more empty houses than homeless people


In the U.S., there are significantly more vacant homes than homeless individuals, with estimates showing around 45.9 empty homes for every person experiencing homelessness.
Current Statistics
As of 2023, there are approximately 14.8 million empty homes in the U.S., which translates to an average of 45.9 vacant homes for each homeless person.
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In some areas, the disparity is even more pronounced. For instance, in Mississippi, there are about 204.7 vacant homes for every homeless individual, highlighting the uneven distribution of housing resources.
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Implications of the Disparity
Housing Affordability: The existence of numerous vacant homes alongside rising homelessness raises questions about housing affordability and accessibility. Many vacant homes may be in areas where demand is low, or they may be priced out of reach for those in need of housing.
Urban vs. Rural Divide: The distribution of vacant homes is not uniform across the country. Urban areas often have higher rates of homelessness, while rural areas may have a surplus of empty homes due to lower population density and demand.
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Conclusion
The stark contrast between the number of vacant homes and the homeless population underscores a complex issue in housing policy and urban planning. Addressing this disparity requires a multifaceted approach, including improving access to affordable housing, addressing the root causes of homelessness, and ensuring that vacant properties are utilized effectively to meet community needs.
In California alone, there are more vacant homes than the entire number of homeless in the entire U.S.A. So why is it so difficult to alleviate the homeless crisis?

[urlhttps://www.iheart.com/content/2022-03-29-heres ... ng-vacant/]Here's How Many California Homes Are Sitting Vacant[/url]
A recent report using census data found that there are about 16 million homes sitting empty across the U.S. According to KTLA, the study by LendingTree ranked the 50 states by how many unoccupied homes they currently have.

Of the 16 million vacant homes in the U.S., over 1 million of those are in California. While California ranked low on the list (No. 46), the state is so large that it still had the second-highest number of empty homes. The report says 8.7% of California's housing stock is vacant, which totals to about 1.2 million empty homes.
Updated Feb 28, 2025
by the USAFacts team
Around 23 out of every 10,000 Americans — 771,480 people — experienced homelessness in January 2024 according to the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) annual point-in-time report, which measures homelessness across the US on a single night each winter. That’s an 18% increase from the same report in 2023.
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