Gatherers of Light (young women turning 16 or older)
Builders of Faith (ages 12-13)
The scriptural basis for the name of this class comes from Ephesians 2:20: “And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone.”
Young women in this class can help to build God’s kingdom through faith in Christ and uplifting actions.
Messengers of Hope (ages 14-15)
The scriptural basis for the name of this class comes from Mosiah 18:8–9, which speaks about being “willing to mourn with those that mourn; yea, and comfort those that stand in need of comfort, and to stand as witnesses of God at all times and in all things.”
Young women in this class can carry Christ’s message of hope to the weary and share comfort through the Spirit.
Gatherers of Light (ages 16-18)
The scriptural basis for the name of this class comes from Doctrine and Covenants 50:24: “That which is of God is light; and he that receiveth light, and continueth in God, receiveth more light; and that light groweth brighter and brighter until the perfect day.”
kind of long names, will they get nicknames of Builders, Messengers, and Gatherers.
I like the name of the oldest group. By the time they are in their late teens, young people are more capable of grappling with complex questions. I like this schema a lot better than the old names.
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Gatherers of Light (young women turning 16 or older)
Builders of Faith (ages 12-13)
The scriptural basis for the name of this class comes from Ephesians 2:20: “And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone.”
Young women in this class can help to build God’s kingdom through faith in Christ and uplifting actions.
Messengers of Hope (ages 14-15)
The scriptural basis for the name of this class comes from Mosiah 18:8–9, which speaks about being “willing to mourn with those that mourn; yea, and comfort those that stand in need of comfort, and to stand as witnesses of God at all times and in all things.”
Young women in this class can carry Christ’s message of hope to the weary and share comfort through the Spirit.
Gatherers of Light (ages 16-18)
The scriptural basis for the name of this class comes from Doctrine and Covenants 50:24: “That which is of God is light; and he that receiveth light, and continueth in God, receiveth more light; and that light groweth brighter and brighter until the perfect day.”
kind of long names, will they get nicknames of Builders, Messengers, and Gatherers.
I guess they didn't like Deaconettes, Teacherettes and Priestesses.
"There will come a time when the rich own all the media, and it will be impossible for the public to make an informed opinion." Albert Einstein, ~1949 "It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire
I guess they didn't like Deaconettes, Teacherettes and Priestesses.
Right, it's very clear that Peter-Priesthood has no plans to hand priesthood carrots to women and girls. They need to keep their mouths shut and learn from the men.
First Presidency wrote:The purpose of the names is to “help young women understand their divine place in God’s work, to represent their spiritual dignity as His beloved daughters and to highlight their progression,” explained a letter from the First Presidency.
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“It is our hope that these age-group names and the principles they teach will help young women become lifelong disciples of Jesus Christ, prepared to participate in the great work of the Relief Society,” the letter said.
I think this part gives the game away in terms of why they’ve made this change… “It is our hope that these age-group names and the principles they teach will help young women become lifelong disciples of Jesus Christ, prepared to participate in the great work of the Relief Society,” the letter said.
So we can read into that - young women have been increasingly turning away from lifelong discipleship before they become old enough to join a group that has pretty much no authority within the church other than to do as the menfolk tell them. That’s what needs to change to improve retention rates of young women, not the cheap trick of changing the branding to give the impression something significant has changed when it really hasn’t.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
Gatherers of Light (young women turning 16 or older)
Builders of Faith (ages 12-13)
The scriptural basis for the name of this class comes from Ephesians 2:20: “And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone.”
Young women in this class can help to build God’s kingdom through faith in Christ and uplifting actions.
Messengers of Hope (ages 14-15)
The scriptural basis for the name of this class comes from Mosiah 18:8–9, which speaks about being “willing to mourn with those that mourn; yea, and comfort those that stand in need of comfort, and to stand as witnesses of God at all times and in all things.”
Young women in this class can carry Christ’s message of hope to the weary and share comfort through the Spirit.
Gatherers of Light (ages 16-18)
The scriptural basis for the name of this class comes from Doctrine and Covenants 50:24: “That which is of God is light; and he that receiveth light, and continueth in God, receiveth more light; and that light groweth brighter and brighter until the perfect day.”
kind of long names, will they get nicknames of Builders, Messengers, and Gatherers.
What's the attraction of unnecessary prepositional phrases? Why not: Faith Builders, Hope Messengers and Light Gatherers? My inner editor does not approve.
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Gatherers of Light (young women turning 16 or older)
kind of long names, will they get nicknames of Builders, Messengers, and Gatherers.
What's the attraction of unnecessary prepositional phrases? Why not: Faith Builders, Hope Messengers and Light Gatherers? My inner editor does not approve.
I think it’s safe to say the Ghost Committee was directly involved here. No living person in the 21st century uses language this antiquated. It’s a direct hit for the Ghost Committee. The only other alternative is that Joseph Smith was simply the world's greatest guesser, hitting targets he didn't even know existed two centuries later.
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Gatherers of Light (young women turning 16 or older)
kind of long names, will they get nicknames of Builders, Messengers, and Gatherers.
What's the attraction of unnecessary prepositional phrases? Why not: Faith Builders, Hope Messengers and Light Gatherers? My inner editor does not approve.
My inner editor suspects that the reason is to place the emphasis on the doer - Builder, Messenger, Gatherer - as Dwight suggests.
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...not the cheap trick of changing the branding to give the impression something significant has changed when it really hasn’t.
The only thing that has changed are the names. The same regurgitated lessons will continue to be rammed down the throats of Mormon girls. Nothing has changed.
I am reminded of the Young Women General Presidency’s November 2020 comments on the decision to “retire” the Laurel, Mia Maid, and Beehive class names:
Referring to all young women under one unifying name [Young Women] will increase unity and affirm divine identity. It was not easy to retire the names of Laurel, Mia Maid and Beehive. This change came with clear direction after a long struggle. Our name needs to reflect our true identity in every language. As a Young Women general presidency, we sought the best thinking of many people and pondered and prayed over new class names for a long time.
As we sought the Lord’s guidance, clear, simple direction came to our hearts and minds. We were inspired to simplify and help our dear sisters focus on the power of belonging. The name of “Young Women” has a unifying effect on each class and clarifies their identity. These sweet sisters are not Laurels, Mia Maids and Beehives. They are Young Women and daughters of God. A number will usually not need to be added to the end of a class name. Our youth usually don’t say they are members of the Sunday School class for 14 to 15 year olds, they just use the term “Sunday School.” In the same way, we hope our young women and their adult leaders can refer to Young Women classes without always feeling a need to attach a number.
This change has been difficult for some, but we have great hope that identity will be found not in class names but rather in the words of the Young Women theme. They are “beloved daughters,” “disciples of Jesus Christ” and “witnesses of God.”
Line upon line. Precept upon precept.
I agree that church members will immediately refer to the classes as Builders, Messengers, and Gatherers.
kind of long names, will they get nicknames of Builders, Messengers, and Gatherers.
