But if we keep reading 1 Corinthians, it seems clear that unity didn’t mean there were no disagreements. Paul writes about several differences, including for example food sacrificed to idols, and on that issue he concluded that eating or not eating the meat is not what mattered, the issue was exercising love toward those with a weaker conscience.
Yes, dietary differences and concerns. No big deal. But matters involving the imminent return of Jesus Christ would be on a totally different level, right?
So I don’t read Paul’s appeal for unity as evidence that every Christian held identical views on every issue. Rather, I see him urging believers to remain united while working through their differences.
Do you suppose Paul would have had a problem with saints pushing back on the imminent return of Christ and vying for the idea that it would be thousands of years into the future? What if they had actively said that the coming of Christ was not going to happen during their generation or lifetime but was to occur thousands of years into the future during the life of prophet LittleNipper?
Do you see where I am going with this, Limnor?
Sure. But I haven’t been following LittleNipper's argument. But yea I read Paul and others as expecting an imminent return.
I’d politely offer that I wonder if LittleNipper sees the value in being challenged. You and Bill ask difficult questions, but those questions can be useful. If a position is sound, it should be able to withstand careful scrutiny, and if it isn’t, then it’s better to discover that through honest discussion.
...I read Paul and others as expecting an imminent return.
The others being the apostles (less Judas) of the Church -- those who received personal instructions from Jesus about his return and wrote about it in their gospels. Hence, the grand prophecy of the Christian church.
I wish I could get into a time machine and go back and take those guys on! Imagine that!
The simple fact is that GOD wrote HIS WORD for that time, as well as, for future generations.
No, he wrote those things concerning the Second Coming for the generation at hand. Again, you are making things up.
According to the Jewish Learning Institute +3
The dual-layered approach is the foundational consensus across mainstream Christian, Jewish, and biblical traditions. The scriptures were purposefully given to directly address the immediate historical context of the people at the time, while simultaneously functioning as eternal, universally applicable teachings for future generations.
The dual-layered approach is the foundational consensus across mainstream Christian, Jewish, and biblical traditions. The scriptures were purposefully given to directly address the immediate historical context of the people at the time, while simultaneously functioning as eternal, universally applicable teachings for future generations.
...I read Paul and others as expecting an imminent return.
The others being the apostles (less Judas) of the Church -- those who received personal instructions from Jesus about his return and wrote about it in their gospels. Hence, the grand prophecy of the Christian church.
I wish I could get into a time machine and go back and take those guys on! Imagine that!
Here comes Shulem! I AM the AntiChrist!
I don’t know… I’m not sure that’s quite as lofty a position as you seem to think lol… If I had a time machine, I’d probably spend less time announcing “I AM the AntiChrist!” and more time asking, “Okay… when you said 'coming on the clouds,' what exactly did you mean?”
No, he wrote those things concerning the Second Coming for the generation at hand. Again, you are making things up.
According to the Jewish Learning Institute +3
The dual-layered approach is the foundational consensus across mainstream Christian, Jewish, and biblical traditions. The scriptures were purposefully given to directly address the immediate historical context of the people at the time, while simultaneously functioning as eternal, universally applicable teachings for future generations.
Jesus was very specific and exact in stating there were those then living who would not taste death prior to his soon-to-be return which was a planned event, not a teaching per se. The historical context of his return never happened as predicted and never will because it is far, far too late. Unborn peoples thousands of years into the future are not part of the prophecy no matter what you or anyone says. I’m afraid your apologetics is DOA and reminds me of Mormon apologetics. Are you a Mormon? The reason why I ask is because you reason like one.
The dual-layered approach is the foundational consensus across mainstream Christian, Jewish, and biblical traditions. The scriptures were purposefully given to directly address the immediate historical context of the people at the time, while simultaneously functioning as eternal, universally applicable teachings for future generations.
Jesus was very specific and exact in stating there were those then living who would not taste death prior to his soon-to-be return which was a planned event, not a teaching per se. The historical context of his return never happened as predicted and never will because it is far, far too late. Unborn peoples thousands of years into the future are not part of the prophecy no matter what you or anyone says. I’m afraid your apologetics is DOA and reminds me of Mormon apologetics. Are you a Mormon? The reason why I ask is because you reason like one.
This regards the Transfiguration of Christ. This might also be regarding GOD's outpouring with the HOLY SPIRIT at Pentecost.
Matthew 17:1-11
After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves.
There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light.
Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.
Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.”
While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”
When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified.
But Jesus came and touched them. “Get up,” he said. “Don’t be afraid.”
When they looked up, they saw no one except Jesus.
As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.”
The disciples asked him, “Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?”
Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things.
But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.”
Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.
Jesus was very specific and exact in stating there were those then living who would not taste death prior to his soon-to-be return which was a planned event, not a teaching per se. The historical context of his return never happened as predicted and never will because it is far, far too late. Unborn peoples thousands of years into the future are not part of the prophecy no matter what you or anyone says. I’m afraid your apologetics is DOA and reminds me of Mormon apologetics. Are you a Mormon? The reason why I ask is because you reason like one.
This regards the Transfiguration of Christ. This might also be regarding GOD's outpouring with the HOLY SPIRIT at Pentecost.
Matthew 17:1-11
After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves.
There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light.
Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.
Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.”
While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”
When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified.
But Jesus came and touched them. “Get up,” he said. “Don’t be afraid.”
When they looked up, they saw no one except Jesus.
As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.”
The disciples asked him, “Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?”
Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things.
But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.”
Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.
Faith promoting tricks and lies similar to what Joseph Smith and his companions proclaimed as visions and revelations.
And then there was the TRANSLATION of the Book of Abraham but Mormons today excuse the word translation into something entirely different similar to how modern apologetic deceivers describe the time of Jesus’ Second Coming.
Apologetic trickery. How utterly dishonest and crooked.
I am sorry, LittleNipper, but I do not appreciate your responses and your convoluted ways.
This regards the Transfiguration of Christ. This might also be regarding GOD's outpouring with the HOLY SPIRIT at Pentecost.
Matthew 17:1-11
After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves.
There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light.
Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.
Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.”
While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”
When the disciples heard this, they fell facedown to the ground, terrified.
But Jesus came and touched them. “Get up,” he said. “Don’t be afraid.”
When they looked up, they saw no one except Jesus.
As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus instructed them, “Don’t tell anyone what you have seen, until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead.”
The disciples asked him, “Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?”
Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things.
But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.”
Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.
Faith promoting tricks and lies similar to what Joseph Smith and his companions proclaimed as visions and revelations.
And then there was the TRANSLATION of the Book of Abraham but Mormons today excuse the word translation into something entirely different similar to how modern apologetic deceivers describe the time of Jesus’ Second Coming.
Apologetic trickery. How utterly dishonest and crooked.
I am sorry, LittleNipper, but I do not appreciate your responses and your convoluted ways.
To be honest, I do not see how my race has anything to do with this discussion. Nor does yours.
Sorry.
Judaism is a cultural belief system. I do not see it as a race. However, I do note you as being contrary to everything New Testament, Christian, and regarding the LORD Jesus Christ. I don't believe in races, as we are all related to Adam and Eve through one of Noah's sons. That would be like believing all tall individuals are one race and all short people are another. That's not how it works, and GOD made us all.
The thing you must consider is that Jesus had a Jewish mother and a Jewish step-father. And the Apostles were Jewish. Under such circumstances one must either accept that Jesus was the MESSIAH or that HE was not ---- but regardless HE was born and lived in Judea and ministered in Judea and Galilee. Jesus spoke in the temple at Jerusalem. There are Jews alive today who cannot claim most of that.
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