No Second Coming! I prophesy!

[MG 2.0]

I am very capable of dealing with the likes of you and your little troll tricks.

No trickery and/or trolling involved. Just a guy who provides counterpoint options to the rather narrow road(s) traveled here.

I would think that this would be welcome.

Regards,
MG

[Shulem]

I am very capable of dealing with the likes of you and your little troll tricks.

No trickery and/or trolling involved. Just a guy who provides counterpoint options to the rather narrow road(s) traveled here.

I would think that this would be welcome.

You're lying to my face.

You were trolling me with the "If" and following up with the "why" in order to derail the thread and get into anything and everything else that has nothing to do with this thread.

If multiple persons have given conflicting and unfulfilled predictions of the return of Christ and they're all wrong...why would we trust any of them? Or anyone else?

The New Testament scripture is pretty clear on the point of 'who knows'.

This thread is about "No Second Coming! I prophesy!" and Jesus will not be back in the next ten years and beyond.

You were attempting to derail the thread, MG. I see right through you.

[MG 2.0]

No trickery and/or trolling involved. Just a guy who provides counterpoint options to the rather narrow road(s) traveled here.

I would think that this would be welcome.

You're lying to my face.

You were trolling me with the "If" and following up with the "why" in order to derail the thread and get into anything and everything else that has nothing to do with this thread.

If multiple persons have given conflicting and unfulfilled predictions of the return of Christ and they're all wrong...why would we trust any of them? Or anyone else?

The New Testament scripture is pretty clear on the point of 'who knows'.

This thread is about "No Second Coming! I prophesy!" and Jesus will not be back in the next ten years and beyond.

You were attempting to derail the thread, MG. I see right through you.

Hmm…OK.

Have a nice rest of the weekend.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

No trickery and/or trolling involved. Just a guy who provides counterpoint options to the rather narrow road(s) traveled here.

I would think that this would be welcome.

You're lying to my face.

You were trolling me with the "If" and following up with the "why" in order to derail the thread and get into anything and everything else that has nothing to do with this thread.

If multiple persons have given conflicting and unfulfilled predictions of the return of Christ and they're all wrong...why would we trust any of them? Or anyone else?

The New Testament scripture is pretty clear on the point of 'who knows'.

This thread is about "No Second Coming! I prophesy!" and Jesus will not be back in the next ten years and beyond.

You were attempting to derail the thread, MG. I see right through you.

"If" and then "why"? Excellent catch, Shulem. I'll have to watch for that sneaky trick.

[I Have Questions]

“If multiple LDS Prophets and Apostles have given conflicting and unfulfilled predictions of the return of Christ and they're all wrong...why would we trust any of them?” Is a great question.

[Shulem]

"If" and then "why"? Excellent catch, Shulem. I'll have to watch for that sneaky trick.

Yes, it's an apologetic trick to derail the main point and enter into a discussion that has nothing to do with the opening post and the evidence that supports it. Thus it's designed to detract and take our eye off the ball and what the thread is all about. It's just another way of saying, "We don't need to see his identification... these aren't the droids we're looking for... move along... move along."

“If multiple LDS Prophets and Apostles have given conflicting and unfulfilled predictions of the return of Christ and they're all wrong...why would we trust any of them?” Is a great question.

It's a great question which deserves its own thread! And for the record, I don't trust any of those bastards!

[MG 2.0]

“If multiple LDS Prophets and Apostles have given conflicting and unfulfilled predictions of the return of Christ and they're all wrong...why would we trust any of them?” Is a great question.

On this particular question I think it has been readily apparent over time that no human being has been or will be successful at predicting the exact date of the Second Coming of Christ.

This is the ONE thing the scriptures have been clear about in relation to when we are not to put our trust in man, including the prophets. That doesn’t in turn mean that they cannot be trusted otherwise.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

"If" and then "why"? Excellent catch, Shulem. I'll have to watch for that sneaky trick.

Yes, it's an apologetic trick to derail the main point and enter into a discussion that has nothing to do with the opening post and the evidence that supports it. Thus it's designed to detract and take our eye off the ball and what the thread is all about. It's just another way of saying, "We don't need to see his identification... these aren't the droids we're looking for... move along... move along."

“If multiple LDS Prophets and Apostles have given conflicting and unfulfilled predictions of the return of Christ and they're all wrong...why would we trust any of them?” Is a great question.

It's a great question which deserves its own thread! And for the record, I don't trust any of those bastards!

Which of course is why mg quoted it and then tried to derail your topic. This one was so obvious.

[Shulem]

“If multiple LDS Prophets and Apostles have given conflicting and unfulfilled predictions of the return of Christ and they're all wrong...why would we trust any of them?” Is a great question.

On this particular question I think it has been readily apparent over time that no human being has been or will be successful at predicting the exact date of the Second Coming of Christ.

This is the ONE thing the scriptures have been clear about in relation to when we are not to put our trust in man, including the prophets. That doesn’t in turn mean that they cannot be trusted otherwise.

In *this* thread we need not discuss whether we should trust so-called prophets based on the failure of the prophecy of the Second Coming. That discussion belongs in another thread, and let's please not make this thread all about MG! Let us focus exactly on the failure of the singular prophecy that proves how Christians and the Latter-Day Saint movement are wrong.

AGAIN, you are welcome to try and explain in simple and logical terms how these prophecies have not failed:

Jesus has been dead and missing in action for 2,000 years and he is never coming back. The false prophecy of the Second Coming is nothing more than a pipe dream in Christian mythology. Another 2,000 years will have passed and Christ still will not have returned. The great lie has been proven false by time itself. Anyone is free to worship Jesus and praise him but they must confess that he has not publicly shown his face or manifested himself physically for 2,000 years. Christians to this day faithfully await his return even though on a legal basis, Jesus *is* still dead.

2 Peter 3:1-10

Peter wrote to Christian cult members at Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia. His message has nothing to do with me (Shulem), an enlightened man, living some 2,000 years in the future. Peter was speaking to Christian cult members of his time while barking new orders to *them*. Christ was said to soon come back and judge the world for “the day of Christ is at hand” (2 Thes 2:2). The Christians stood watch but nothing at hand happened. He did not come back for those were “soon shaken in mind” and nor did he return “quickly” as promised in the Book of Revelations.

Peter then continues to ramble on about how God made the world and how people fail to believe or accept the prophecy of the Second Coming of Christ and his quick return to earth. He notes how a day of fiery judgement is coming and “that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.” He tells of how the day will come and that “The Lord is not slack (slow)” to keep that promise, “But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night.”

That day did not come and neither did it come in a thousand years after Peter’s false prophecy. The “day” (1,000 years) passed on and then another day (1,000 years) expired. And so here we are today, in 2026 and Christians are stuck waiting on the Lord’s day.

The prophecy failed.

So, was Peter living in the “last days” during these prophetic Christian announcements? YES!

2) Elect...
5) Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
6) Wherein ye greatly rejoice...
20) Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

So, the Christians who lived in the last times looked to salvation through Christ who would certainly come in the “last times” (last days) which was the era in which *they* lived. So, the last days was nearly 2,000 years ago during the times of the apostles!

But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.

For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

Imagine, if you will, 1st century Christians being told that Christ will not return for at least 2,000 years! Do you suppose they would be sorely disappointed and begin to question the letters written to them from the apostles?

St Peter and a small handful of Christians living during his lifetime may have been diligent but their faith was in vain because Christ failed to return according to the teachings of the Church. The early Christians made predictions about Christ coming soon because the day of the Lord was nigh at hand. Special thanks to bill4long for his contributions in demonstrating that the day of the Lord was soon at hand and how the cult’s prophecy failed miserably:

• the day is upon us
• very soon
• the appointed time has grown very short
• some who are standing here will not taste death
• This generation shall not pass till
• You will not finish
• must very soon take place
• I am coming very soon
• it is the final hour

Christ never indicated that his Second Coming (return) would take place thousands (plural) of years after his death. Far from it! That is not the message of the Christian religion. Jesus’s prophecies were about events that were said to shortly occur during the generation at hand -- whereafter complete fulfillment was not thousands of years into the future but in the end times that were soon and near. Those buzzwords described the times in which every word of the prophecy would be fulfilled! The time in which *all* (not partial) things concerning Jesus’s prophecies was soon to be fulfilled:

6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

• 20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed...
• 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
• 24 ...Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
• 31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
• 32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

Matthew’s account assured the Christians that salvation was at hand and that all those things would be fulfilled, NOT thousands of years into the future!

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

• 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days
• 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
• 32 ...summer is nigh:
• 33 ...even at the doors.
• 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Apologetic excuses for delaying the Second Coming are DOA!

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

Now note how John’s prophecy leaves the end times behind and zooms far into the distant future:

And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

QUESTION: Is there biblical precedent that lends believers to think that Christ’s coming would be thousands of years into the future?

ANSWER: No.

Truth be told, Christ and many of his disciples paid the ultimate price with their own lives for promoting a new religion that threatened unbelievers with death and destruction for failing to bend the knees to Christian dogma. The temple was razed to the ground in 70 AD around the time John produced the book of Revelation. His revelation/dream was a horrific narrative of vengeance and hatred against those who opposed Christianity, but in the end, Jesus failed to return and the prophecy of the Second Coming and end of the world proved false. Christianity was proven false and the cult collapsed under its own false prophecies.

Recall Jesus saying, “But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple” and on one occasion took it upon himself to clear the temple of moneychangers and afterward “the blind and the lame came to him in the temple; and he healed them”, whereafter there were shouts of “Hosanna” to his goodness. The temple was a favorite hangout for Jesus in teaching his gospel message (Luke 21:37,38); later, after Christ died, the apostles spent their time “daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.” The point being, the temple was basically ground zero and the holiest place on earth for both Jesus and his disciples. Recall St Paul telling the Thessalonians about the imminent return of Jesus Christ and how the saints must have faith in the promise of “the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.”

THEN, in Paul’s next breath the saints are warned about the coming of the AntiChrist (2 Thes 2) and how he “sitteth in the temple of God.” This prophecy must take place prior to the Jerusalem temple being RAZED to the ground during the endtimes when Christ would return.

Again, Christian prophecies failed. Christ was supposed to return and overthrow the AntiChrist, but what we get is the temple being razed, Christians shown the door, and crazy (drug-induced?) prophecies of John the revelator spouting utter nonsense. And here we are, 2,000 years later, modern Christians and looney Mormons are oblivious to the false prophecies of Christianity because they have been brainwashed.

• Little children, it is the last time:
• and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now
• are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

No, it is NOT the last time. You are wrong. Christ is not coming back in your lifetime or during the lifetime of any AntiChrist of your era or hundreds or even thousands of years thereafter! Christ is dead, period.

The Christian cult will never see the fulfillment of false prophecies. The cult/church/religion (whatever) has been around a long time and ruled societies and peoples with an iron fist. Through the Dark Ages and other eras, the Christians caused a tremendous amount of horrific pain and suffering while wielding power and influence over nations. Looking back, it was horrible and thank God the biblical prophecies (Book of Revelation) are nothing more than the insane thoughts of a a man who was hell bent on getting revenge over the world. It is a demonic book! I am very grateful to have turned away from Christian dogma and live an authentic life of my own choosing without religion telling me what to do.

St. Paul was not speaking to people living 2,000 years into the future. The furthest thing from the minds of the apostles was 1,000 years AD, into the future when Satan would be unchained for a little season. Paul was concerned with his own times and the imminent fulfillment of the soon to be Second Coming of Christ and the end of the world:

• 2 Thes 1:1 “Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians”
• 2 Thes 1:2 “Grace unto you”
• 2 Thes 1:6 “God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you”...
• 2 Thes 1:7 “And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,”

Again, it could not be more clear that in the “last time” (last days), the very temple built by Israel that was graced by the presence of Jesus would one day be polluted by AntiChrist forces: “so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” At this juncture, the Second Coming was to be be realized! Israel would then be saved and Christ would reign supreme. Not so! The temple was razed forever and Israel was left without a Messiah and a temple to this very day, 2026 AD.

As far as Jesus was concerned, there was one temple (Matt 23:21), the one he personally attended, and there was a heavenly throne (Matt 23:22), the one his Father sat upon. Christ reminded the Jews of horrible things that had occurred in the past and speaking to the Jews he warned about more horrible things that were to take place in their times and the very near future and correctly predicted how the temple would again be torn down:

Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

Christ continued to prophesy (Matt 24) and predict how the end would take place (“but the end is not yet”) and that his followers would then know that he is “even at the doors” by which he encouraged the people to “endure unto the end” which would occur after the destruction of the temple. He told of great tribulations that would take place during that generation but “those days shall be shortened” in order for salvation to be realized. He specifically said that “This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”

The future destruction of the Jerusalem temple is the key, the very one built and maintained by the authority of prophets of the Old Testament -- the building in which Zacharias was slain between the temple and the altar. That is the very temple in which St John indicated the AntiChrist would sit in which God would be mocked. Then Christ will come and everyone will see it!

Christ continued to prophesy (Matt 24) and predict how the end would take place (“but the end is not yet”) and that his followers would then know that he is “even at the doors” by which he encouraged the people to “endure unto the end” which would occur after the destruction of the temple. He told of great tribulations that would take place during that generation but “those days shall be shortened” in order for salvation to be realized. He specifically said that “This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”

The future destruction of the Jerusalem temple is the key, the very one built and maintained by the authority of prophets of the Old Testament -- the building in which Zacharias was slain between the temple and the altar. That is the very temple in which St John indicated the AntiChrist would sit in which God would be mocked. Then Christ will come and everyone will see it!

Jesus was adamant in prophesying how everyone alive would see him come again in glory. St Paul assured the Thessalonians that the surviving Christians would rapture up into heaven with Jesus and St John envisioned those still living who crucified Christ would see him come in the clouds which echos what Christ said previously to the Jews that “Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man.”

• And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (Matt 24:30)
• Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. (Matt 26:64)
• And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. (Matt 13:26)
• And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. (Mark 14:62)

Now recall the faith promoting fictitious conversation between resurrected Jesus and his competing apostles in which Peter questioned the Lord about John’s duration in the ministry, whereafter it is positively confirmed twice (John 21:22,23) that unlike Peter, John would live and continue to minister till the Second Coming:

If I will that he tarry till I come

This is proof that the apostles fully expected Christ to come during John’s life and that Peter need not compare himself or wonder about which of them is the greatest.

Jesus, in no uncertain terms, wrapped his prophecy into a single generation in which *ALL* the things leading up to his Second Coming would be fulfilled in one generation -- ONE. It leaves no room to add future generations and skip thousands of years into the future. The fulfillment of all those things were assigned to a single generation in the era in which they lived -- not thousands of years into the future. It comes down to simple math which does not require additional elements but is a Singular/Onement event and yet we see the Mormons reset the clock at year 1830 and are still waiting for their Jesus to this day.

• Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. (Matt 23:36)
• Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. (Matt 24:34)
• Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done. (Mark 13:30)
• Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. (Luke 21:32)

The prophecy is specific and point blank. There is one (1), a singular horizon, in which *all* fulfillment was to occur. The destruction of the temple and the end of the age in which Christ would return was suppose to happen just like the sun rising and setting on a horizon, in a single generation. For example:

I assure you and most solemnly say to you, [the judgment for] all these things [these vile and murderous deeds] will come on this generation.

Yes! I tell you that all this will fall on this generation!

I can promise that you people living today will be punished for all these things!

Believe me when I say that all these things will happen to you people who are living now.

Yes, I tell you this: God will punish the people who are alive today for all those murders.

I tell you the truth, all of these things will happen to you people who are living now

I can guarantee this truth: The people living now will be held accountable for all these things.

I tell you indeed: the punishment for all these murders will fall on the people of this day!

I tell you the truth. All of these things will happen to you people who are living now.

I tell all of you with certainty, all these things will happen to those living today.

These sayings stand on their own merits and are very specific. Jesus was speaking of one uninterrupted timeline involving the destruction of the Temple and the end of the age! The timeline and events described by Jesus in Matthew 24 indicate the destruction of the temple AND the Second Coming was suppose to occur during the lifetime of those then living. He implied that one of the things that would occur in *that* generation is the gospel would be preached to all nations.

I assure you and most solemnly say to you, this generation [the people living when these signs and events begin] will not pass away until all these things take place.

Truly I tell you, this generation (the whole multitude of people living at the same time, in a definite, given period) will not pass away till all these things taken together take place.

Jesus was speaking to living people during his day and time -- *that* generation. The Christians took their message all throughout Israel and then turned to the Gentiles including the lands of: Samaria, Syria, Asia Minor, Cyprus, Crete, Greece, Macedonia, Italy, Egypt, Mesopotamia, etc.

Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

The Christians really believed that Christ would come again in their day (generation) because that was the original claim:

• Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. (Mark 9:1)
• So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ: (1 Cor 1:7)
• For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord’s death till he come. (1 Cor 11:26)
• For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming? (1 Thes 2:19)
• For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. (1 Thes 4:15)
• And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Thes 5:23)
• When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. (2 Thes 1:10)
• For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. (Heb 10:37)
• Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. (James 5:7)
• Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. (James 5:8)
• And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. (1 John 2:28)
• But that which ye have already hold fast till I come. (Rev 2:25)
• Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. (Rev 3:3)

The Olivet Discourse given by Jesus outlined prophecies (including worldly judgement) that was soon to take place; chapter 25 continued the sermon and began with, “Then shall the kingdom...” Jesus continued to prophesy and said,

• “Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.” (25:13)
• “When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:” 25:31

Jesus was very specific and exact in stating there were those then living who would not taste death prior to his soon-to-be return which was a planned event, not a teaching per se. The historical context of his return never happened as predicted and never will because it is far, far too late. Unborn peoples thousands of years into the future are not part of the prophecy no matter what anyone says. And the Mormons are completely duped and brainwashed.

[Shulem]

No man knoweth the hour.

But we know the generation! Joseph Smith dug the same false prophetic pit dug by the original apostles and once again introduced the final generation, “a crooked and perverse generation” in which Christ would return:

1 My son Orson, hearken and hear and behold what I, the Lord God, shall say unto you, even Jesus Christ your Redeemer;

2 The light and the life of the world, a light which shineth in darkness and the darkness comprehendeth it not;

3 Who so loved the world that he gave his own life, that as many as would believe might become the sons of God. Wherefore you are my son;

4 And blessed are you because you have believed;

5 And more blessed are you because you are called of me to preach my gospel—

6 To lift up your voice as with the sound of a Trump, both long and loud, and cry repentance unto a crooked and perverse generation, preparing the way of the Lord for his second coming.

7 For behold, verily, verily, I say unto you, the time is soon at hand that I shall come in a cloud with power and great glory.

8 And it shall be a great day at the time of my coming, for all nations shall tremble.

9 But before that great day shall come, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon be turned into blood; and the stars shall refuse their shining, and some shall fall, and great destructions await the wicked.

10 Wherefore, lift up your voice and spare not, for the Lord God hath spoken; therefore prophesy, and it shall be given by the power of the Holy Ghost.

11 And if you are faithful, behold, I am with you until I come—

12 And verily, verily, I say unto you, I come quickly. I am your Lord and your Redeemer. Even so. Amen.

Another false prophecy given by the false inspiration of the so-called Holy Ghost in a Patriarchal Blessing given to Orson Pratt:

Thou shalt bring many souls to the knowledge of the truth, and tarry till the Savior comes, and then thou shalt be received into the celestial kingdom of God...

And now, witness the false prophecies of apostle Orson Pratt:

The Lord has promised that he will gather together his people, and that he will build up the Zion of our God... and that a temple shall be reared in this generation, upon the spot that was appointed by the finger of God... and the glory of God shall rest upon it by day and by night. This is a promise that was made nearly forty years ago, and it has got to be fulfilled in this generation."

We are living in a most momentous age... We have been told by the revelations of God that this is the last dispensation, that the time is near at hand for the coming of the Son of Man in the clouds of heaven... The generation is already born that will see these things fulfilled, and witness the coming of the Lord.

There are many in this congregation who will live to see the days when the lost ten tribes will come from the north... and they will be crowned with glory under the hands of the servants of the Lord... All these things will take place in this generation.

Accompanying this message of the everlasting Gospel brought by an angel were these remarkable words—'Fear God and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come.' That is the eleventh hour, the last time that he will send laborers to labor in his vineyard.

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I bear solemn witness that the prophecies of Joseph Smith and his Apostles were false prophecies and the hope of any fulfillment has long since expired. The Spirit by which they prophesied came from the ego and self-aggrandizement.

I rebuke you, MG! You have not a leg to stand on.

Amen.