Remember the Foundation of Geopolitics?

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Re: Remember the Foundation of Geopolitics?

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Gunnar wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:01 am
In your opinion, are Boris Johnson's core supporters in the UK as impervious to reason in the face of mounting evidence of malfeasance and corruption as are Trump's core supporters?
I think on the whole not. People who voted Conservative at the last election did so in large part because the Labour Party leader (Jeremy Corbyn) was unimpressive to say the least. There is no major group whose loyalty to him is policy-based, apart from those who believed his promise to 'get Brexit [UK leaving the EU] done' - which he did by making a very incomplete deal with the EU, some of which he is now having to try to undo. Some people like him because they think he is 'a bit of a laugh'. There may also be some vague remnants amongst older people of deference to the voice of the 'officer class'.
And would Johnson be anywhere near as adamant as Trump is that the election was fraudulently stolen from him, should he lose the next election?

And is there any chance that he would ever try to incite a Jan 6 type insurrection in order to stay in office?
No to both. The custom in the UK is that the Prime Minister resigns as soon as it is clear he has lost the election - which is usually obvious by the early hours of the day after election day, and that the Queen then sends for whoever else it is (often the Leader of the Opposition) who can command a majority in the House of Commons and thus form a functioning government. If he attempted to avoid doing that in the face of a clear result, many in his own party would cease to support him. If there is an unclear result, a prime minister can try to make coalition deals with other parties for a few days, and only resign if that fails. Also, the election is run nationally, so that local practice in terms of postal votes etc. is uniform.
Is he anywhere near as demonstrably stupid and ignorant as Trump?
I almost wish he was: however, he uses such intelligence as he has solely for the purpose of self-advancement. Fortunately he hates having to work hard or make difficult decisions, so he does not get a lot of benefit from his mental resources in political terms.
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Re: Remember the Foundation of Geopolitics?

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Cultellus wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:49 pm
We need more stupid people that do things that are not in their best interest in order to feel better about doing things that in our best interest which is why I hope we get a more stupid person in charge there soon.
Surely you agree that we need more highly intelligent people in office, if they are also both moral and competent, don't you? Stupidity in public officials is an asset only to the extent it may limit the potential damage that dishonest and amoral officeholders can do. Right?
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Re: Remember the Foundation of Geopolitics?

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Cultellus wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:06 am
Definitely. I think Chap is on to something though. If someone is smart and not lazy and they look out for their own self interest, we are better off with a stupid leader for sure. At least we are not worse off. We have to assume that if someone's interests are good for them they are bad for us, otherwise we would not be looking out for our own self interests.
I was sure that was what you meant, but I found your original wording potentially confusing. With that clarification, we are both obviously in congruence with what Chap said. :)
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Re: Remember the Foundation of Geopolitics?

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Cultellus wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:49 pm
Chap wrote:
Wed Jul 21, 2021 3:24 pm

I almost wish he was: however, he uses such intelligence as he has solely for the purpose of self-advancement. Fortunately he hates having to work hard or make difficult decisions, so he does not get a lot of benefit from his mental resources in political terms.
[...] We need more stupid people that do things that are not in their best interest in order to feel better about doing things that in our best interest which is why I hope we get a more stupid person in charge there soon. [...]
Yup. That response is incoherent nonsense. Figures.
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Re: Remember the Foundation of Geopolitics?

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Cultellus wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 3:59 pm
Because if it is goof for that guy …
Was it goof for you, too?
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Re: Remember the Foundation of Geopolitics?

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Cultellus wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:32 pm
That’s a good one. You corrected a grammar error, and then I corrected your grammar error in your correction and then you just corrected my typo right hear. What could be next?
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Re: Remember the Foundation of Geopolitics?

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Cultellus wrote:
Thu Jul 22, 2021 7:32 pm
Great eyes.
Thanks! You’re so flirty.
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Re: Remember the Foundation of Geopolitics?

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Some Schmo wrote:
Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:32 pm
So, this confirms Russia knew what sane Americans already knew in 2016: Trump was bad for America and good for despots.
Speaking of which, and somewhat related,

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2021/0 ... legations/

tl;dr - Multiple Trump friends and donors are going down. Why? They were acting as foreign agents for governments like Malaysia, UAE, and China. Lots of money was being thrown around and his admin was for sale.

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Re: Remember the Foundation of Geopolitics?

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:59 am
tl;dr - Multiple Trump friends and donors are going down. Why? They were acting as foreign agents for governments like Malaysia, UAE, and China. Lots of money was being thrown around and his admin was for sale.
Of course Trump has no personal financial interests that depend on the favour of any parties in foreign countries, and is well known for his selfless avoidance of any transaction, however innocent, that might possibly give rise to suspicion in any quarter. Nor has he ever had any such interests.

It's just that he suffers from the fact that he is a naïve innocent when it comes to the ruthless world of moneymaking. He has no idea how devoid of moral compass some people can be when they sniff easy money. So he has been unlucky from time to time in taking on unscrupulous associates whom he thought were completely straight, links with whom has been used by some to blacken his reputation unjustly.
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Re: Remember the Foundation of Geopolitics?

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Chap wrote:
Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:02 pm
Of course Trump has no personal financial interests that depend on the favour of any parties in foreign countries, and is well known for his selfless avoidance of any transaction, however innocent, that might possibly give rise to suspicion in any quarter. Nor has he ever had any such interests.

It's just that he suffers from the fact that he is a naïve innocent when it comes to the ruthless world of moneymaking. He has no idea how devoid of moral compass some people can be when they sniff easy money. So he has been unlucky from time to time in taking on unscrupulous associates whom he thought were completely straight, links with whom has been used by some to blacken his reputation unjustly.
LOL

Never has the Trumpistanian perspective been articulated so well. It took a smart person being sarcastic for it to happen.
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