Kwaku on the Offensive Against Radio Free Mormon!

[Atlanticmike]

An eternal family (celestial family), looks like a gathering of just a fraction of 1% of God's spirit children who won the war in heaven and decided to be tested here on Earth.

You don’t seem to understand the majesty, breadth, and depth of God’s plan to bring all souls…who choose to…back to Him. Vicarious ordinances performed in the sacred walls of the temple provide the pathway for any and all of God’s children to return to His presence and become part of His eternal family structure.

While here, decided to wear magic underwear…

Let me ask you this. Are you keeping your covenants and wearing the sacred garment, or is this comment meant to ridicule the garment?

…not drink coffee…

Let me ask you this. Are you obeying the word of wisdom by not drinking coffee and adhering to the other elements of the WofW?

…look down on people who drink alcohol…

Do you drink alcohol?

…pretend to enjoy green JELL-O…

Now you’re getting into something that is considered to be sacrosanct.

…be obsessed with masturbation…

Are you opposed then to guidelines of sexual purity of any sort?

…view everyone we meet as a potential Mormon and so on and so on.

Are you serious?

Come on mg2.0! Everyone here who grew up in the church knows what it "requires" to reach the celestial kingdom.

That may or may not be true.

We are a work based religion. We never stop working, never ever!

We are a work and FAITH based religion. We do what we do because we love the Lord and want to obey our Father in Heaven. Do you agree?

…tell me what you think a celestial family looks like?

Families that are in complete alignment with God and His ways.

One other thing. Do you understand why a large percentage of Christians have a hard time with our religion? It's not just Joseph, prophets, polygamy and so on. You see, most Christians preach of the dying Christ! That's why the cross is so important to modern day Christians. We on the other hand, preach and teach the living Christ. That's why we don't wear or present the cross in any way. Christianity will never accept us while we view the cross as a torture device. The cross and the sacrifice Christ made for us is everything to a Christian. For us, it's just a piece of the puzzle. Correct?

The cross and the resurrection are intertwined. The LDS church focuses more on Christ’s resurrection and the hope that we have in receiving that gift.

Regards,
MG

I've always called garments magic underwear. I can call my underwear whatever I want. Just like if I want to still call myself a Mormon I'm going to do it.

In my opinion the word of wisdom is the best part of Mormonism. I've seen drugs, alcohol, tobacco and weed ruin so many lives it's not funny.

I'm very serious when I say that if raised in the church in the 80s & 90s, everyone is considered a potential convert. Here's a quote, look it up, ""what a responsibility, of leading good men and good women all over this world to know God, and to know what their mission is on Earth! Fathers and mothers, fellow workers, do you fully realize today what it means to assume the responsibility of carrying the message of peace and goodwill to all men?""
Here's another quote ""the responsibility of the church is to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ as restored to the Prophet Joseph Smith, not only to preach it and Proclaim it by word, by distribution of literature, but more than anything else by living the gospel in our homes and in our business dealings, having faith and testimony in our hearts, by radiating it wherever we go, there is nothing that can stop the progress of Truth accepting only our weakness our failure to do our duty."'" one more quote since you asked me if we as Mormons should view everyone as a potential convert. ""every member is a missionary. He or she has the responsibility of bringing somebody, a mother, a father, a neighbor, a fellow worker, and Associate, somebody in touch with the messengers of the Gospel. If every member will carry that responsibility and if the arrangement to have that mother or that father or somebody meet the authorized representatives of the church, no power on Earth can stop this church from growing. And personal contact is what will influence those investigators. That personal contact, the nature of it, it's a fact that depends upon you. And that's one thing that I wish to emphasize. There's one responsibility which no man can evade, that's the responsibility of personal influence. It's what you are, not what you pretend to be that will bring people to investigate.""

Have you ever met a family that is in complete alignment with God? I haven't. I probably know 60 to 70 Mormon families and not one is in complete alignment with God. Where are these families found, Utah?

I agree we are a work and faith based religion.

I never said the cross in the resurrection were not intertwined. But to have such disdain for the cross is something I just don't understand. Sorry, this is something I look back on and it pisses me off. As young Mormon boys, we joked on people who wore crosses because we thought they were influenced by the devil. Maybe that's why I find it comical now that Mormonism is trying to find shelter under the tent of Christianity. The Mormonism I grew up in will die a slow and painful death trying to find shelter under the tent of Christianity.

[Shulem]

All I know is that it's wrong to criticize RFM, even if the criticism is true. (which it isn't)

Kwaku and friends should be utterly ashamed of themselves and should all go outside and have a word with themselves.

Mormons are getting very close to abandoning the idea that they are the one true church, and retreating into the irrelevance of "We're just another way to be christian"

I attend weekly, but of late I'm having a hard time figuring out where things are going. And for sure, I've never seen things so divided. It's fascinating to watch and see what happens next.

The Christian concept of "turning the other cheek" or taking it on the chin without fighting back is hardly recognizable in aggressive Mormon apologetics that seems to have gone rogue. Quacko and his fellow Christian soldiers (warriors) are fighting back. No laying down of the sword and suffering for Christ's sake is brought to play. It's fight back! What ever happened to letting God take vengeance and to suffer for his name's sake? If they want to be perceived as Christians then they need to act like Christians and stop fighting and stop engaging the enemy and leave it in the hands of God. Quacko is like Peter in a rage being hyped up on steroids and hacking off ears with a make-believe sword. Lay down your weapon, Quacko, and become a true Christian.

[Moksha]

Whatever happened to letting God take vengeance and to suffer for his name's sake? If they want to be perceived as Christians then they need to act like Christians and stop fighting and stop engaging the enemy and leave it in the hands of God.

Apologists are not Christian Soldiers, they are God's Ninjas. They live by the code of bulshito.

[jlamothe]

Cardon Ellis criticizes me for not condemning on-line videos of some girl roller skating in temple clothes…

…while playing the video of the girl roller skating in temple clothes.

At some points I could swear they’re doing this for laughs.

I found that an interesting choice as well.

[jlamothe]

Kwaku logic: more LDS church buildings have been set on fire because Bill Reel and RFM failed condemn enough exMormon Reddit posts.

One can only wonder if the same logic applies to Midnight Mormons’ failure to condemn Elder Holland’s recent call to arms over the BYU LGBT situation.

Not only did they not condemn it, they actually justified it.

I was not aware of this. Can you link a source?

[jlamothe]

I feel foolish for commenting on Kish' thread without realizing there was this video out there.

I'm confused why they think RFM and Bill should be held accountable for any future attacks on LDS church's for their "hateful" rhetoric but somehow they feel the need to defend violent imagery from LDS apostles? If that doesn't help them identify the problem with their logic on religious defending I don't know that there's much hope here.

I will say if they left their point as "there's too much hate and rhethoric on things like ex-Mormon reddit or from ex-LDS people" they'd have a point. There is and I find it shameful much of the time and try to avoid it. Most of us former believers have our arms lovingly around many of our devoted LDS family and friends.

It's the anger phase that a lot of people go through when they find out they've been lied to and manipulated for an extended period of time. It's unfortunate, but understandable.

[jlamothe]

MG, the bondage is not to Christ. The bondage is to the leadership of the corporation of the presiding bishopric.

They are not the same things, at all. But I know why Mormons try to conflate them. So it appears like you’re doing what Jesus wants instead of what 15 rich elderly white men want.

I’m just responding to ceeboo and don’t want to derail this thread, but I will comment on your response. Consider living back at the time of Christ and after His crucifixion. The disciples/apostles went out into the world to bring souls to Christ. Not to themselves as His representatives. They weren’t out preaching for vain glory. They were following Christ’s injunction, “ And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.”

Do you think that this injunction/command would be any different today? The calling of modern apostles and prophets is to bring souls to Christ.

Regards,
MG

While we're talking about the directives given to Christ's disciples/apostles:

Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way.

How does that mesh with the Ensign Peak fund?

[jlamothe]

Do you mean the LDS church doesn’t believe that or teach it now? Or that they never believed that or taught that?

- Doc

I'm sure you can find quotes from people, but it's not official doctrine and we don't teach that now. Brigham Young, in fact, help the Catholic church build its first cathedral in Salt Lake City.

Is Nephi 14:9-10 authoritative enough for you?

[jlamothe]

Okay, I've got to stop reading 16-page long threads and commenting on four-day-old posts as I go.

I think that the reason there can be so much disagreement as to what the LDS church does/doesn't teach is that it's taught so many differing things over the years. This is perhaps because there have been so many different men at the helm over time who don't agree with eachother.

It's almost as if it's just a collection of the philosophies of men, rather than an organization led by God.