Election Litigation Status

[Res Ipsa]

You keep saying "rob votes" as if the result wouldn't be the exposure of fraudulent votes, ergo no votes were "robbed" but rather, the votes were rightfully possessed. Removing illegal ballots isn't robbing.

Methinks you need to reread that post again.

1. If a State Legislature substitutes Trump-supporting electors for the existing electors, then the legal votes of the majority voting for Biden are indeed robbed. This isn’t removal of ‘illegal ballots’ as this process does not identify ‘illegal ballots’.

2. Team Trump lawsuits are not alleging voter fraud, nor are they presenting evidence of voter fraud. Therefore, there is no basis to discard all votes on the claim that some are alleged to be ‘illegal’ or ‘fraudulent’.

I keep saying "rob votes" because that's what it would be. With over 50 lawsuits, no one has been able to provide a lick of actual evidence that fraud of any kind affected the results of the election. If Republicans decide to rob American citizens of their non-fraudulent votes for the same reason a dog licks its balls, then as far as I'm concerned, the American experiment is over. It will be time to go to war.

[Res Ipsa]

And I really don't want to have to buy a gun.

Heh. Thanks for the smile. I hope you're right. I don't think you are but this is definitely a time I won't feel bad about being wrong.

I hope I am, too.

[canpakes]

Per Marc Elias, The Nevada Supreme Court has just affirmed (6-0) the lower court decision to dismiss Team Trump’s Election Contest.

https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-cont ... -44711.pdf

[Res Ipsa]

Per Marc Elias, The Nevada Supreme Court has just affirmed (6-0) the lower court decision to dismiss Team Trump’s Election Contest.

https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-cont ... -44711.pdf

Cool. That's Arizona and Nevada for sure within the safe harbor provision. I've read some reporting that says every state but Wisconsin qualifies, but I'm a bit skeptical of that. I'm pretty sure Trump filed an election contest in GA that I don't think has been resolved. I'll just have to wait and see what people smarter than me have to say in the morning.

[MeDotOrg]

And how badly does the Republican Party want to be known from now on as the party that robs American citizens of their votes? It's the campaign issue that lasts forever.

This is the heart of the issue. The penny-wise and pound-foolish strategy of the GOP. Repulicans filing lawsuits contending laws passed by Republican legislatures governing election laws are invalid.

People always talk about Trump's base. If Trump or his supporters were to disenfranchise the voters of a state, they would instantly create an anti-base. Disenfranchisement is taxation without representation.

You see the fear of the popular vote in the way the Constitution gives election powers to the states. The system is creaking and groaning in the 21st Century. There are other issues, like gerrymandering, that should also be addressed if we are talking about making elections fair and representative.

[Res Ipsa]

I took a quick look, and I think PA is in the safe harbor as well. An election contest of presidential and vice presidential electors requires a petition signed by 100 voters. None of the pending PA cases pleads compliance with that requirement and none of them plead that they are election contests under the statute.

And it does not appear that there are any election contests pending in Michigan, either. The only basis for an election contest appears to be that an unqualified person voted, and that person has to be named in the suit. Nothing pending in MI meets that description.


So, WI did not meet the safe harbor criteria and perhaps GA did not as well. Those two states don't have enough EV to change the result of the election. Again, I want to wait for confirmation from the election law specialists, but it looks like Biden has enough EV in states that qualified under the safe harbor provision to become president.

It won't end the lawsuits that allege claims based on the U.S. Constitution, but any other lawsuits could be dismissed based on the safe harbor statute.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

From a CNN article:

Stuart Stevens, a former chief strategist for Mitt Romney's 2012 presidential campaign, said the party had squandered an inherited legacy of respect for democratic values.

"I think this stuff is very hard to undo. It's that, you know, old cliché. It's hard to build something and easy to tear it down. They're burning down faith in democracy," Stevens told CNN's Don Lemon on Monday.

"I spent years, decades working for the Republican Party. We had an ideological differences, but right now, I think the difference between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party is one is for democracy and one is not for democracy."

It’s hard to build something, and easy to tear down.This is what I think the Trump cultists don’t understand. Let’s say their fevered dreams work, and the US is divided up along ethnic, racial, and political lines. The second and third order effects of their secession would be felt for generations, and not in a good way. There’s no going back to the 50’s, or to Jefferson’s idealized agrarian utopia. Trumpists aren’t exactly known for abstract thinking, and splitting up the Republic kind of underscores the insanity of their reasoning.

Anyway. The elector thing isn’t going to work. One way or another it’ll get shut down.

eta: Unironic Facebook post by these people:



- Doc

[canpakes]

This is what I think the Trump cultists don’t understand. Let’s say their fevered dreams work, and the US is divided up along ethnic, racial, and political lines. The second and third order effects of their secession would be felt for generations, and not in a good way. There’s no going back to the 50’s, or to Jefferson’s idealized agrarian utopia. Trumpists aren’t exactly known for abstract thinking, and splitting up the Republic kind of underscores the insanity of their reasoning.

And all for a lying conman with 6 bankruptcies, who spent all of his time in office doing his best to divide Americans over every possible issue ... and because his voters don’t have the emotional maturity to deal with the reality that more people wanted to be rid of him than keep him around as an excuse to be their worst selves.

You’d figure that if the integrity of our Nation and its democratic principles must be sacrificed on the alter of their injured ego that they’d at least do it over someone who was worth it.

[Some Schmo]

And all for a lying conman with 6 bankruptcies, who spent all of his time in office doing his best to divide Americans over every possible issue ... and because his voters don’t have the emotional maturity to deal with the reality that more people wanted to be rid of him than keep him around as an excuse to be their worst selves.

You’d figure that if the integrity of our Nation and its democratic principles must be sacrificed on the alter of their injured ego that they’d at least do it over someone who was worth it.

No doubt. This is why it's way beyond a political movement and firmly in the cult category. Your brain has to have had a hostile takeover for you to worship such an obvious damned moron and baby.

Can you imagine identifying with Trump?

*shiver*

That is one broken brain.

[Res Ipsa]

The President's elite lawyer strike force: mendacious? incompetent? a little bit of both: https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/c ... hes-lying/