How Trump thinks "democracy" works

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Re: How Trump thinks "democracy" works

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Jersey Girl wrote:
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Did you listen to the 1 hour video?
“F”, no! I've heard a lot of the highlights, but there's no way I'm wasting an hour on his BS. I've listened to enough Trump to know that every criticism in this thread about him is accurate, and frankly, obvious. He's a delusional damned moron. That is well known.

And no, it won't affect how his fans feel about him. They're just as damned dumb as Trump is.
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Trump's recorded phone call to the Georgia Secretary of State, witnessed on both ends, constitutes a felony in Georgia punishable by up to three years in prison. Here is the core of the story as carried by the Daily Beast and now reported by the Washington Post as well.
Daily Beast wrote: David Worley told The Washington Post that the call gave “probable cause” to believe that Trump broke Georgia’s election code, adding: “It’s a crime to solicit election fraud, and asking the secretary to change the votes is a textbook definition of election fraud.” Worley cited a specific law that makes it a crime to solicit someone else to commit election fraud in Georgia—and, according to the Post, that can be punished by as much as three years in prison.
Would it not be ironic if the Georgia AG were to come after Trump on charges of soliciting electron election fraud? (Thanks Chap)

If the AG did so, Georgia would be yet another state in which Trump would be in serious legal jeopardy after Jan 20. Maybe that is why:
Daily Beast more or less wrote: --- Prestwick airport [on the west coast of Scotland near one of Trump's golf courses] has been told to expect the arrival of a U.S. military Boeing 757 plane, one that has reportedly been used by Trump before, on Jan. 19.
Extradition anyone?
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DrW wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:40 pm
Daily Beast more or less wrote: --- Prestwick airport [on the west coast of Scotland near one of Trump's golf courses] has been told to expect the arrival of a U.S. military Boeing 757 plane, one that has reportedly been used by Trump before, on Jan. 19.
Extradition anyone?
A refuelling stop on the way to Moscow, maybe? Edward Snowden will be delighted to welcome him to the expat community ...
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Trump treats votes in an election like sales dollars in a quarterly report. In a large corporation, a lot of value comes from making your quota in quarterly sales. During the last few weeks of the quarter, the Sales Manager starts putting pressure on his reps. We just need $11,780 dollars. Is there anything you can book NOW? We really need it. He knows he either makes his quota or he's out as sales manager. In business, my experience has been that more deals that are booked in the last 2 weeks of a quarter go south, coincidentally after the bonus checks have been cut.

Push some numbers around. Make it happen. Votes are as malleable as sales figures.
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Re: How Trump thinks "democracy" works

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MeDotOrg wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:03 pm
Trump treats votes in an election like sales dollars in a quarterly report. In a large corporation, a lot of value comes from making your quota in quarterly sales. During the last few weeks of the quarter, the Sales Manager starts putting pressure on his reps. We just need $11,780 dollars. Is there anything you can book NOW? We really need it. He knows he either makes his quota or he's out as sales manager. In business, my experience has been that more deals that are booked in the last 2 weeks of a quarter go south, coincidentally after the bonus checks have been cut.

Push some numbers around. Make it happen. Votes are as malleable as sales figures.
I think this is a far more sophisticated explanation for Trump's thinking than he's actually capable.

I doubt it's any more complicated than his belief that he can make everyone do things simply by his force of will (since many idiotic people have actually bent to his will). What he doesn't understand is why they bend to his will. He thinks it's something like charisma, when in reality it's usually a shared craven stupidity.
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Chap wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:56 pm
DrW wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:40 pm



Extradition anyone?
A refuelling stop on the way to Moscow, maybe? Edward Snowden will be delighted to welcome him to the expat community ...
Man, if this actually happens (how crazy is it to actually understand this is a possibility?), there is NO WAY we’re not in a simulated alternate reality. For all of us Cold War kids, this is something that’d be unthinkable.

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Take this to the bank: if Trump were to go to Moscow, he'd fall out of a window in the first 90 days.
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DrW wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 4:40 pm
Trump's recorded phone call to the Georgia Secretary of State, witnessed on both ends, constitutes a felony in Georgia punishable by up to three years in prison. Here is the core of the story as carried by the Daily Beast and now reported by the Washington Post as well.
Daily Beast wrote: David Worley told The Washington Post that the call gave “probable cause” to believe that Trump broke Georgia’s election code, adding: “It’s a crime to solicit election fraud, and asking the secretary to change the votes is a textbook definition of election fraud.” Worley cited a specific law that makes it a crime to solicit someone else to commit election fraud in Georgia—and, according to the Post, that can be punished by as much as three years in prison.
Would it not be ironic if the Georgia AG were to come after Trump on charges of soliciting electron fraud?

If the AG did so, Georgia would be yet another state in which Trump would be in serious legal jeopardy after Jan 20. Maybe that is why:
Daily Beast more or less wrote: --- Prestwick airport [on the west coast of Scotland near one of Trump's golf courses] has been told to expect the arrival of a U.S. military Boeing 757 plane, one that has reportedly been used by Trump before, on Jan. 19.
Extradition anyone?
DrW we discussed his possible exit from the U.S. on the previous board. I did a little armchair investigation and posted the countries where he holds properties that have no extradition agreement with the U.S. So...let's say he really is on his way to avoiding extradition. Depending on the time and date that he flees the country (at some point on the 20th he is no longer President and that would matter) he could use Prestwick as a refueling station (which it is) and/or board another aircraft (private?) to get out of the U.K. (that DOES have an extradition agreement with the U.S.) and leave to parts unknown.

I don't know why people think he'd flee to Moscow. I tend to think that's the last place he'd go. Why? The weather stinks there. No, I think he'd head to warmer climate such as the AE or Indonesia where he holds property. But who knows the mind of Trump? If he flees, he can never come back.

Given all we have seen and heard, I wouldn't put anything past him.

So...let's think about this. He'd have to flee while still in the office of President which provides him protection and land somewhere (or I guess be in a particular International airspace?) before he loses that protection in a country with which the U.S. has no extradition agreement. In other words: He has to be OUT of the U.K. before Biden is sworn in.

Correct my thinking if you think I am wrong with regard to the timing. But if there is a way for him to slither out of all the legal mess he's facing, I think he'd do it in a SDNY minute.

Now let me come back at this another way. He goes to the U.K. where investigators know there's a flight plan to another country attached to the U.S.-U.K. trip. I wonder if they can detain him in the U.K. for whatever reason while the clock runs out on his presidency?
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:01 pm
Take this to the bank: if Trump were to go to Moscow, he'd fall out of a window in the first 90 days.
Well, I’d both pity and celebrate the poor fellow who’d be tasked to clean that sidewalk.
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Re: How Trump thinks "democracy" works

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canpakes wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:10 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:01 pm
Take this to the bank: if Trump were to go to Moscow, he'd fall out of a window in the first 90 days.
Well, I’d both pity and celebrate the poor fellow who’d be tasked to clean that sidewalk.
He could rearrange the pieces in a large sidewalk mural spelling out BLACK LIVES MATTER. That would be fun. Even better if it were at the proposed spot of Trump Tower Moscow.
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