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1. Does God possess a complete knowledge of the future?


Relative to us He does. However, imho, God can only predict the future to a great degree of accuracy.

2. Was the flood of Noah local or global?


I trend towards a local Flood and the explaination of Flood stories all over the world is explained by institutional memory. In other words, the story of those who experienced such a frightening event (world-wide from their perpsective) was quickly propagated.

3. Was Christ both fully God and fully human during his ministry or did he relinquish his divinity for a season?


Fully both during his ministry.

4. Are only the predestined saved or do all people have a potential for full salvation? (This kind of ties in to the knowledge of the future subject)


All people have full potential for salvation. I don't think God can be absolutely sure who will and will not be saved beforehand (unless it's babies who die see below), but He can predict it to a great deal of accuracy.

5. Do men and women enjoy eternal security from the moment of their spiritual rebirth or must they endure faithfully to the end to have a hope of eternal life?


Must remain faithful. Matt 24:13, 2 Peter 2:20 etc.

6. what happens to babies who die?


They will automatically be saved in the CK (D&C 137:10)

7. The fate of the unevangelized.


All will be evangelized. If not in this life, then the next. Whether they accept or not is a different story.

8. Is baptism essntial to salvation and to whom should it be administered - infants or mature believers?


Essential. Age of accountability (8) and afterwards.

9. Should women serve in certain ministerial capasities?


Non priesthood capacities yes.

10. Does man play a role in his own salvation beyond an initial confession of Christ as Savior? What is the meaning and place of works?


Yes. Works are required for salvation.

11. Is man a child of God or a mere creation of God? What are the psycological effects of each of these views?


That man and God are the same species is superior because it succinctly defines individual worth and potential.

12. Should wives submit to their husbands and if so how and in what way?


Yes. The primary duties of the one are the secondary duties of the other. The husband should spiritually lead in the home and not expect his wife to be the only spiritual one.
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Sono_hito wrote:cool, more reading to do, thanks!


You're welcome.
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Gaz, as usual you've put some good questions. All of which can only be answered subjectively. Not bad, cuz subjectively is how we engage life... So here goes:
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1. Does God possess a complete knowledge of the future?


RM: I don't think "God" does. That idea stems from primitive superstition...


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2. Was the flood of Noah local or global?

RM: Local. The idea of THE Flood & the Ark is fable and story-telling...


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3. Was Christ both fully God and fully human during his ministry or did he relinquish his divinity for a season?


RM: Jesus was a conscienced seer and revelator. His 'divinity' is from the same Universal source from which we each draw our humanity AND empathy. How "fully God" or any other theological speculations can change that, is beyond my understanding. I think it discredits the human race, as it projects human weakness in need of something beyond ourselves. What humanity needs to meet the expectations (demands) Jesus left with us, is totally and entirely within our capacity to attain. We have not as yet seen ourselves as Jesus did. Largely because of, "the commandments of men...that deny the powers of Creation and the possibilities of the fullness of life..."


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4. Are only the predestined saved or do all people have a potential for full salvation? (This kind of ties in to the knowledge of the future subject)

RM: This is an absurd question. It does not fit into enlightened understanding of a "God" who bestows equally, and unconditionally to all living creatures their needs. It haunts back in time to a bargaining "God" who responded to bribes and flattery. In other words, "an imaginary god".

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5. Do men and women enjoy eternal security from the moment of their spiritual rebirth or must they endure faithfully to the end to have a hope of eternal life?

RM: This is another question based on "false doctrine" ;-) Humanoids are responsible for their actions as they experience THEIR 'world' with THEIR 'knowledge'. They are blessed/cursed accordingly. As they gain knowledge and apply new truths/understanding they will receive the benefits, generally speaking. But, ya smoke toooo long... yer probably not going to avoid the effects of self abuse... "Eternal life?" Make it a "Good-Life" here!

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6. what happens to babies who die?

RM: The same as all life. Including old-folks ;-)

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7. The fate of the unevangelized.

RM: Another question based on "false doctrine"... See # 5...

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8. Is baptism essntial to salvation and to whom should it be administered - infants or mature believers?

RM: Another "false doctrine" question... To believe, after thinking about this question, that such a ritual really is "efficatious" (for Wade;-) ... well i said in the beginning--it's all subjective, eh?

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9. Should women serve in certain ministerial capasities?

RM: Of course! In ALL professions as their merrit and ability determines.

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10. Does man play a role in his own salvation beyond an initial confession of Christ as Savior? What is the meaning and place of works?

RM: "Faith without works is dead..." Certainly the individual plays their own role in their destiny. To be helped or hindered by conditions and circumstances and folks along the way. I think this is one of the areas of extreme confussion in most religions where they tend to forgett about the "unconditional "God"". Just, "say the words"--and keep repeating them--to assure a place in Heaven!?? Really????


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11. Is man a child of God or a mere creation of God? What are the psycological effects of each of these views?

RM: To the first: beyond my comprehension. Not a psychologist, but i've met both weird and wonderful folks on my journey. Religious and non in both groups. Speculation: i think THE determinate is not their believe/non in "God"...but their belief in themselves AND their fellows... Good folks doing good things... Or, a whicked world of evil people leading to worster&worser&worster&worser&&&&&... until Jesus comes...

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12. Should wives submit to their husbands and if so how and in what way?


RM: Really Gaz!!?? That's a question out'a the Patriarchial Scrap BooK LOL!!! In most relationships there is the "submissive" and the "dominant". Gender shouldn't be the determining factor... The tall one reaches the top-shelf, the short one goes for stuff on the low shelves. The strong opens jars. The weaker one asks them to. Come-on Bro, that's Paul's thinking. Not Jesus stuff. Everyone knows Paul had women probs... Like some still do... OK, fems have their probs too...

Interesting responses. But all subjective opinions--like mine.... Warm regards, Roger
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liz3564 wrote:1. Does God possess a complete knowledge of the future?


The first question I would ask is who is God?


2. Was the flood of Noah local or global?


The Biblical flood is mythology. There were worldwide floods on various levels, and ice ages and mini ice ages which contributed to flooding. The mythologies probably developed around these.

3. Was Christ both fully God and fully human during his ministry or did he relinquish his divinity for a season?


Christ appears to be a conglomeration of various mythological figures. Joseph Campbell's book The Hero With A Thousand Faces discusses this.

4. Are only the predestined saved or do all people have a potential for full salvation? (This kind of ties in to the knowledge of the future subject)


I'm not even sure now what "saved" means. I don't believe in predestination, but I do believe in "karmic retribution", and also good karma. You reap what you sow in this life. "What goes around comes around". For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. You shape your own life, and you make your own future, nothing is predestined. If reincanation is a fact (which I don't know), then it's possible that this life is shaped by past lives. In that sense there is some kind of "predestination", but there's nothing to stop us from improving our situation in this life.

5. Do men and women enjoy eternal security from the moment of their spiritual rebirth or must they endure faithfully to the end to have a hope of eternal life?


What is "spiritual rebirth"? Do people really change? Did Ted Haggard have a spiritual rebirth? Human nature will be what it is and may also be largely determined by genes. I'm cynical about the idea of "spiritual rebirth" because I see hypocrisy in people who claim to have had this "change". If you look at what the Book of Mormon says about spiritual rebirth, the concept is a great one, and if people really did change like that the world would be a much better place. People change without a spiritual rebirth. I see this in my own adult children. When they were teenagers I thought they were sometimes devils, but they have changed so much and turned into responsible adults, in such a way I can even call it "remarkable", "a remarkable change".

6. what happens to babies who die?


They leave much anguish to parents.

7. The fate of the unevangelized.


You mean the fate of some four or five billion people? Unevangelised to what faith? I don't believe a person's religion has any bearing on "salvation". This is one thing I like about the gospels, it's so universal. Heathen and sinners in heaven while the "chosen ones" are cast out, the first are last, and the last first, those who toil one hour (latecomers) receive the same reward as those who toil 12 hours, prodigals are welcomed back, despised Samaritans are honoured, Jesus dwells in the house of a despised lower class man, the poor are exalted, and the rich cast out, God's rain falls on the just and the unjust, accidents happen to all, even the good ones, the low are exalted and the high are brought low, and you don't get to heaven by your good works (or boasting about them), but whether you can answer these questions: "When I was sick, did you visit me?" When I was in prison did you visit me?""When I was hungry did you feed me?" "When I was thirsty did you give me drink?" That's all. These are the "works" that matter, not whether you pay a full tithe, abstain from grog, or wear a white shirt to church. And I love this classic line from the Book of Mormon: "And he [God] remembereth the heathen"!!!
No wonder I love the scriptures, and treasure them. They are, or should be, in particular the gospels, the great paradigm for human behaviour. They have, unfortunately, been much distorted by those seeking personal glory. To do good to all the people we can, in all the places we can, at all the times we can, should be our guiding motto in life. Nothing else matters.

8. Is baptism essntial to salvation and to whom should it be administered - infants or mature believers?


See above.

9. Should women serve in certain ministerial capasities?


Women should serve in all ministerial capacities. They, generally, have far better qualities than most men. Though I have known some perfect bitches in my time.

10. Does man play a role in his own salvation beyond an initial confession of Christ as Savior? What is the meaning and place of works?


See above.

11. Is man a child of God or a mere creation of God? What are the psycological effects of each of these views?


We are all divine. From Wordsworth, quoting from memory:

Our earth life is but a sleep and a forgetting.
The soul that rises with us, our life's star,
hath had elsewhere it's setting, and cometh from afar.
Not in entire forgetfulness, but trailing clouds of glory do we come, from God,
who is our home.

12. Should wives submit to their husbands and if so how and in what way?


You know what WIFE stands for? It's an old joke to crude to post, but in reality women control men while giving them the grand illusion that they (the men) are in control. Men control by brawn and brute force, women control men because men are weak-kneed for women. It's evolution. Women have men around their little fingers. Samson could slay a thousand Philistines with the jawbone of an ass, but he couldn't resist Delilah. David could command armies, but one woman destroyed him.
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Ok I have to confess here. These questions aren't mine. I posed these to Scratch in an effort to have a religious conversation with him and really didn't expect it to grow like this, although I am really pleased that it did. So many great responses from so many of my favorite people here.

The questions were originally found in "A Different Jesus" by Robert L. Millet, p.41-42. There are 20 questions listed and I cherry picked 12 and rephrased them a little. Stated before the questions are asked is this: "Over the past few years I have read much of evangelical theology. It is clear to me that there are a number of Doctrinal and ecclesial matters about which evangelical Christians disagree, including: ..."

and after the list "... Some of these are not exactly insignificant issues. In fact, given the divide between persons under the evangelical umbrella on such matters, one wonders why outright rejection or bitter antagonism must or should exist toward any other faith tradition with differing views, including Latter-day Saints."

These questions take on a whole other aura when you strip from your mind the knowledge gained from Latter-day saint scripture and viewpoints. What if you were strictly Catholic and were asked the same questions? How would your answers change?

Thank you all for taking the time to answer these. I love reading the responses.

My turn.

1. Does God possess a complete knowledge of the future?


This question actually came up in sunday school two weeks ago. I didn't respond then because my mind was racing through what I understood on the subject. In numerous places Prophets are shown a vision of the world from the beginning to the end. This vision of coarce woud include events such as Wars and the rise and fall of great nations. This entails a knowledge of political actions of individuals. I talked to the teacher in the Hall the following week and asked him about the subject and what his view were regarding Gods knowledge of the future vs. free agency, and he said something interesting: God knows what the outcome of our time of probation will be, but he wants us to pass through it so that when the time of judgement comes he can say that the choices were ours. Interesting thought. In the end I can say that its a mystery to me, but it is interesting to think about.

2. Was the flood of Noah local or global?


This is answered fairly simply by merely looking at those that came after Noah and testified of the event. Moses, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Matthew, Paul, Peter, Luke,... On and on. The record states that the Flood covered the whole earth. (Gen 7:17-24) So the question really is then, do you side with the Prophets of God, or do you stand with mans own understanding? (D&C 1:15-16)

3. Was Christ both fully God and fully human during his ministry or did he relinquish his divinity for a season?


It is my understanding that what Christ inherited from his Father was the ability to decide when he would lay down his life, and the ability to take his life up again. Beyond this, he was left on his own. In all fairness Christ had to pass through the same trials and struggle each of us faces in our mortal probation. Christ was chosen in the pre-existence because he had proven himself true and faithful there, and the one who was to be sent down to earth to make intercession between mercy and justice had to be pure and unspotted. Or in other words he would have to lead a sinless life so that the claims of justice would have no claim on him. Would it be justice if he was fully God on earth and overcame sin in that fashion? Christ had shown in the pre-existence that his strength of will and character were suffecient to accomplish that heavy burden.
In D&C 93 John the Baptist bears his testimony that Christ " And I, John, saw that he received not of the fulness at the first, but received grace for grace; And he received not of the fulness at first, but continued from grace to grace, until he received a fulness; And thus he was called the Son of God, because he received not of the fulness at the first."

One can almost picture a young Jesus reading Isaiah, and it slowly dawning on him that what he is reading is a prophecy concerning what he was to do and accomplish. It is our responsibility to realize that we as mere mortals have the same ability to do great and miraculous things if we would just exercise strength of will and character. There is nothing that Christ did that we are not capable of. That is why he is known as our example.


4. Are only the predestined saved or do all people have a potential for full salvation? (This kind of ties in to the knowledge of the future subject)


This is a teaching that stems from Ephesians 1:5 (as well as two other places in the New Testament) which states: " Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, " It woudl be easy to read this, and then throw up ones hands and say "Well, if the followers of Christ are predestined, then what does it matter if I believe or not!"
The actual Greek translation though is different, it reads "Foreordained"and that is something else entirely. For this we look to Abraham chp. 3, vs.22-23:
" Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were organized before the world was; and among all these there were many of the noble and great ones; And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst of them, and he said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou wast born."
This is something else entirely. Foreordination constitutes a trust based on observed ability and character. Wilford Woodruff Spoke on this very subject:

"Joseph Smith was ordained before he came here, the same as Jeremiah was. Said the Lord unto him, "Before you were begotten I knew you," etc.
So do I believe with regard to this people, so do I believe with regard to the apostles, the high priests, seventies and the elders of Israel bearing the Holy Priesthood, I believe they were ordained before they came here; and I believe the God of Israel has raised them up and has watched over them from their youth, has carried them through all the scenes of life both seen and unseen, and has prepared them as instruments in His hands to take this kingdom and bear it off. If this be so, what manner of men ought we to be? If anything under the heavens should humble men before the Lord and before one another, it should be the fact that we have been called of God." - Wilford Woodruff, JD 21:317, October 10, 1880

All have the potential for full salvation if they are but obedient to the covenants they have made with their God in the waters of Baptism and in other higher ordinances where applicable.

5. Do men and women enjoy eternal security from the moment of their spiritual rebirth or must they endure faithfully to the end to have a hope of eternal life?


I know of no one who speaks better on this topic than Nephi, so I quote him: 2 Nephi 31:19-20 " And now, my beloved brethren, after ye have gotten into this strait and narrow path, I would ask if all is done? Behold, I say unto you, Nay; for ye have not come thus far save it were by the word of Christ with unshaken faith in him, relying wholly upon the merits of him who is mighty to save.
Wherefore, ye must press forward with a steadfastness in Christ, having a perfect brightness of hope, and a love of God and of all men. Wherefore, if ye shall press forward, feasting upon the word of Christ, and endure to the end, behold, thus saith the Father: Ye shall have eternal life.

6. what happens to babies who die?


This question reminded me of when I was doorknocking on my mission, and I came across a Catholic who screamed at me from his doorstep "The road to Hell is paved with the skulls of unbaptised children!!"
This stems from the belief that those who go out of this life unbaptised are damned to Hell for all eternity. I had this belief confirmed to me not that long ago. I was visiting a local Christian bookstore, and just for fun asked the woman at the counter if she had any books on what hapens to those who die without baptism. She stated that they had no books on the shelf that answered that question to her knowledge, but that as far as she knew those individuals were simply damned to Hell. I take this to mean that this would include children.

The doctrine of Baptism for the dead is there to seal the name of Christ through the waters of Baptism upon all those who have gone before. Baptism is not done for them to wash away sins, since a child is sinless, but the ordinance is done to fulfill the law, the same why Christ needed to be baptised despite his being sinless.

It is also believed that those who left this life early before their time of probation had offered up a chance to try ones faith, may have that opportunity in the millinium.

7. The fate of the unevangelized.


The name of Christ is the only name by which salvation is to come, and no man will enter heaven without bearig Chrsts name upon himself through the waters of Baptism.(Matt 3:15) The Law must be fulfilled, and yet most of the world has never heard the name Christ, and therefore must be taught of him in the world to come. For this Christ spent the time between his death and resurrection prepareing righteous dead to be missionaries to those unlearned souls who had gone on before. Paul taught that all will be resurrected, and therefore must be baptised, and that is why they perform Baptisms for the dead (1 Cor 15:29) This work is done today in the Temple where a person may be baptised for and in behalf of a person who died without the opportunity to do so for themselves.

8. Is baptism essntial to salvation and to whom should it be administered - infants or mature believers?


As stated earlier, Baptism is essential to salvation. The doctrine of the church is that a person should be baptised at the age of acountability, which is stated in the church to be at 8 years old.

9. Should women serve in certain ministerial capasities?


A minister in the classic sence is one who stands for and in behalf of Christ himself in bringing the Priesthood and its blessings to those in need. Since women cannot at this time hold the priesthod in its fulness, then they canot be ministers. They can hold various calling withen the church under the direction of a priesthood leader, but cannot take the higher leadership roles.

[quote]10. Does man play a role in his own salvation beyond an initial confession of Christ as Savior? What is the meaning and place of works?

I will have to finish the rest of the questions tommorow since I am falling asleep at the keyboard here....
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
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Re: A Dozen good questions

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Gazelam wrote:
1. Does God possess a complete knowledge of the future?


This question actually came up in sunday school two weeks ago. I didn't respond then because my mind was racing through what I understood on the subject. In numerous places Prophets are shown a vision of the world from the beginning to the end. This vision of coarce woud include events such as Wars and the rise and fall of great nations. This entails a knowledge of political actions of individuals. I talked to the teacher in the Hall the following week and asked him about the subject and what his view were regarding Gods knowledge of the future vs. free agency, and he said something interesting: God knows what the outcome of our time of probation will be, but he wants us to pass through it so that when the time of judgement comes he can say that the choices were ours. Interesting thought. In the end I can say that its a mystery to me, but it is interesting to think about.


Sounds like a God who says, "tough, buddy", "you failed". "And I knew all along you were going to fail, but just wanted you to see what a dill you are".

Really, how low can any conception of God get? God is like a schoolmaster, in this theology, a punitive creature with a small, vindictive mind.
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I am merely suggesting this as a theory. I honestly don't know regarding Gods knowledge of the future. It does make one wonder though. I have already stated that many prophets have made their testimonites known regarding the Lord showing them the future, but also they testify that we have our free agency, How do the two statements reconcile with one another?

Curious, and fun to consider. I thought my friend gave an interesting insight, whether he was right or not I do not know.

Gaz
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
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Wow! I am so excited to see how this thread has grown! And see, Gaz? Scratchy DID answer! I can't help it if he loves me. ;)

We have all been in bed with this awful stomach flu this weekend, so I probably won't have a chance to forumlate my answers until tomorrow sometime.

This is so great. And Gaz, again, thanks for finding the questions and posting them initially...then letting me steal them for another thread. LOL

This has made a GREAT talking point!

:)
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Continuation

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12. Should wives submit to their husbands and if so how and in what way?11. Is man a child of God or a mere creation of God? What are the psycological effects of each of these views?
10. Does man play a role in his own salvation beyond an initial confession of Christ as Savior? What is the meaning and place of works?


There are numerous ways to look at this question. Salvation , without question, is in Jesus Christ. because Adam fell all men are Carnal , sensual, and devilish in their physical nature. Left to themselves they are succeptable to the temptations of this world and work against their spiritual nature, cuting themselves off from the presence of God and suffering a spiritual death.

Through the work of angels and revelation Christ introduced the plan of salvation, enablesing mankind to overcome the world and improve their condition. This is done first by hearing the gospel preached and discovering the witness of the Spirit, Thus enableing us to see the kingdom of heaven for the first time. From this point Man is asked to make a covenant with God, shedding the Name of Adam which is upon them from the time they are born into this world, and taking upon themselves the Name of Christ, being born again in the waters of Baptism into a new family, making themselves heirs to the family inheritance if they show themselves obedient to the covenant. If this is done, they are invited to enter the kingdom of heaven and enjoy the company of the heavenly family. (John 3:3-5) Christs grace covers the shortcomings of those who enter into a covenant with him and take upon themselves his name. We are saved by grace through covenants.

If one is to dwell in the presence of the Father and the Son, he must in this life exercise a lifestyle that shows he enjoys living as they do. It is the aquisition of the culture of heaven we strive for when we emulate a Christlike life.

Matt. 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Belief is one thing, action on those beliefs is another thing entirely.

11. Is man a child of God or a mere creation of God? What are the psycological effects of each of these views?


Last year I spoke with a Born Again Christian minister concerning three major differences between The LDS faith and evangelical christianity. One of these was this very question. I always took it for granted that everyone believed they were a child of God. This is not the case. To the Christian outside the LDS faith Men, angels, devils, and God are all seperate. Angels were created as angels, Satan was created as Satan, Men were created as men (at the time of birth) and will never be more than this. I was somewhat shocked to hear trhis. Stripping mankind of the idea that we are Gods children strips us of our potential and inheritance.

The King James reading of John 3:16 is that God sacrificed his only begotten Son for us. In the newer modern translations this reads that God gave his only son. The word begotten is taken away, leaving all of us bastards. This is a false doctrine, and it strips from the minds of men their ultimate potential and a clear viewpoint of their place in the grand design. Speaking on the nature of man, John Taylor said:

"Let me read that prayer a little more: "Our Father, who art in heaven." What, is he indeed my Father? Yes. Is He our Father? Yes,... we are the children of God; that is the relationship that we sustain to Him. Being born of the Spirit, we become the sons of God . . . And what else? The heirs of God, and joint heirs with Christ our Lord. Is this the position we occupy? So say the scriptures. And what is the difference between those who have been born of the water and the Spirit, and those who know not the gospel, and who possess none of the gifts thereof? Let us stop and inquire. You have sons, have you not? Yes. What will the boys be when they grow up? They will be men, will they not? They are now the sons of men. If a man be inducted into the family of God, and becomes a son of God, what will he become when he gets his growth? You can figure that out yourselves." John Taylor - JD 24:2-3, Febuary 11, 1883

12. Should wives submit to their husbands and if so how and in what way?


Gaz (I like to call him Mike) asked me to answer this question. Im his wife, Carrie.
My sarcastic side would answer, "No" and be done with it. But as I think about the question and our 14 years together, I have and do submit to his council. We usually discuss and decide things together. But there are those times when I'm dealing with a sibling issue or a friend issue and I do go to him for council. As far as yielding to his power or control, it's not in my nature to submit. Nor is it in his nature to demand.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
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liz3564 wrote:Wow! I am so excited to see how this thread has grown! And see, Gaz? Scratchy DID answer! I can't help it if he loves me. ;)

We have all been in bed with this awful stomach flu this weekend, so I probably won't have a chance to forumlate my answers until tomorrow sometime.

:)


Hope you get well soon, Liz. : )
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