The Christian Thought Process

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_Lucretia MacEvil
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Re: The Christian Thought Process

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Nephi wrote:
Scottie wrote:"Hey, wait a minute...we are using the same set of scriptures and BOTH of us are right. So, doesn't that naturally mean that both of us are also wrong??"

This leads to the ideas of universalism, and no it does not lead to both being wrong. They are both right, which implies that there is more than on pathway back to God in life. What is interesting is that they are only right for individuals, and yet are wrong for others (like if we both need to get to City of Fake in the state of Delusion, just because I can take a boat, doesn't mean you can, but doesn't mean my boat is wrong).[quote]

I'm not familiar with Universalism and the more you talk about it the more confusing it gets. Believing that all will return to God no matter what your path or how you interpret scriptures, that's all well and good. But how do you apply that to the trinity issue? You're saying one can believe in the trinity and another can believe the Mormon view, and they are both right. It seems to me that the only way they can both be right is to realize that the belief either way is unimportant and has nothing to do with God to begin with, in other words, both beliefs are wrong and it doesn't matter. A God of universalism surely wouldn't be concerned with with what people believe on those matters. Unity, for example, has metaphysical interpretations of the scriptures that are actually meaningful and helpful on the path, whereas "knowing" whether God is a Trinity or not is a waste of time and effort. How can you be a universalist and still entangled in the irrelevant? If you are a universalist, how can a religion like Mormonism possibly engage you on any level?
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Re: The Christian Thought Process

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Lucretia MacEvil wrote:I'm not familiar with Universalism and the more you talk about it the more confusing it gets. Believing that all will return to God no matter what your path or how you interpret scriptures, that's all well and good. But how do you apply that to the trinity issue? You're saying one can believe in the trinity and another can believe the Mormon view, and they are both right. It seems to me that the only way they can both be right is to realize that the belief either way is unimportant and has nothing to do with God to begin with, in other words, both beliefs are wrong and it doesn't matter. A God of universalism surely wouldn't be concerned with with what people believe on those matters. Unity, for example, has metaphysical interpretations of the scriptures that are actually meaningful and helpful on the path, whereas "knowing" whether God is a Trinity or not is a waste of time and effort. How can you be a universalist and still entangled in the irrelevant? If you are a universalist, how can a religion like Mormonism possibly engage you on any level?

Its not black OR white here, and never is. All this implies is that the trinity honestly is just a tool mankind uses to understand God itself, and therefore, from different places, different tools are needed. In other words, both are right. Yes, both can be wrong, when the wrong tool is used with the wrong ideals (for instance, the idea that Jesus IS God does not fit Mormon thought, and so is the wrong tool), but why be negative? They are both right, as long as they are used in the right context.
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