Mormon Internet Battles and Anonymity

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_The Nehor
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Picture here shows relationship between people and anonymity:

http://scissormonkey.wordpress.com/2007 ... -comments/

Enjoy
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Post by _Mercury »

The Nehor wrote:Picture here shows relationship between people and anonymity:

http://scissormonkey.wordpress.com/2007 ... -comments/

Enjoy


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Post by _Scottie »

The Nehor wrote:Picture here shows relationship between people and anonymity:

http://scissormonkey.wordpress.com/2007 ... -comments/

Enjoy

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Re: Mormon Internet Battles and Anonymity

Post by _Chap »

Nephi wrote:
Mercury wrote:
Nephi wrote:
Mercury wrote:So it looks like the more rabid apologists are in goose step with the PRC.

...what I quote of yours above seems to make the assumption that the Chinese Government is somehow a bad thing.


You just lost all credibility.

All.

How in hell can you intimate that the PRC is to be admired?

Again, Merc, your thoughts and value you place upon me is not my concern here, and honestly, I didn't think I had any credibility with you to begin with, so next time, don't waste time enlarging and colorizing your text to try to make that seem bad or something.

2ndly, I cannot make a good judgment of the Chinese government as most of the news I get has been filtered through westernized news agencies. I can say this; their economy is one of the best in the world, they are well organized, and are some of the best engineers in the world, their health care is socialized, and they are becoming more and more democratic while the US is becoming more and more social.

Also, I find the atrocities that the Chinese government has done in the world to not Trump the atrocities that the US has done in the world. So, though I am not saying they are to be admired, they are not some bad thing, unless you buy into the propaganda that westernized media displays of them.


Dear Nephi,

Anonymous testimony, is, I know, worth little. But I know quite a lot about China, its people and history, and indeed I shall be paying one of my regular visits next week. I have Chinese friends, and I know what they think about their country.

The first thing I urge you to do is to drop the parallel/moral equivalence between US/European media and media in China. The latter are under strict legal control, and journalists can be arrested for doing things that would be quite routine in the West, such as speculating that someone is about to leave office, or criticising some major government policy.

As for the Chinese economy: it is certainly growing very rapidly, although in the process all available measures indicate that inequality and resultant social tensions are also growing rapidly. People in the countryside are often dirt poor, likely to remain so, and can only get more than a minimum income by migrating illegally to cities where they work as labourers without rights. And yet the growth must continue, or else there will be major social unrest. The reason the government tries to stifle all dissent is because it realises how dangerous this situation may become.

Respectfully, I must point out that health care in China is in no significant sense socialised nowadays. The old system of free basic care through work units has long ago disappeared, and you have to pay for whatever you get. There is nothing like the US system of free hospital care for the poor, and nothing remotely resembling the health care of some European countries like the UK and France.

I wish China well, and have friends there; they would smile sadly to see your readiness to equate your media and social privileges with their own.
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Post by _Pokatator »

liz3564 wrote:
Merc wrote:Wade? Crockett? Are you going to chime in or will you do as you always do and avoid participation in the discussion of some of your main gripes with critics?


To be fair, it's not Wade that has a huge problem with the anonymity. It's Crock's broken record.


Liz, I think you need to add the one and only, Dr. Bishop Pete to the list, he's a broken record on this too!
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Post by _Maxrep »

The church members reserve their greatest criticism for former or apostate members. Our life in Mormonism did not take place in a vacuum. We became part a community, we developed friendships, we established families.

The unfortunate judgments that may be applied to one who has lost their testimony, will be felt by our family members. Wishful thinking won't change this scenario. Some choose anonymity as a voice for our views in an effort to preserve the community that our spouse or ouchildren are a part of. It may take some time for us to make an exit when considering family relations.
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Post by _Yoda »

Pokatator wrote:
liz3564 wrote:
Merc wrote:Wade? Crockett? Are you going to chime in or will you do as you always do and avoid participation in the discussion of some of your main gripes with critics?


To be fair, it's not Wade that has a huge problem with the anonymity. It's Crock's broken record.


Liz, I think you need to add the one and only, Dr. Bishop Pete to the list, he's a broken record on this too!


Actually, not. Dr. Peterson doesn't have a problem with anonymous posting, per se. He has a problem with people posting anonymously discrediting him. Frankly, that's understandable.

Crock doesn't seem to think that anyone online should post using an alias. Frankly, I hope that if he has kids who are posting on the Internet, he has given them different advice for their own safety.
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Re: Mormon Internet Battles and Anonymity

Post by _Inconceivable »

Nephi wrote:I cannot make a good judgment of the Chinese government as most of the news I get has been filtered through westernized news agencies. I can say this; their economy is one of the best in the world, they are well organized, and are some of the best engineers in the world, their health care is socialized, and they are becoming more and more democratic while the US is becoming more and more social.

Also, I find the atrocities that the Chinese government has done in the world to not Trump the atrocities that the US has done in the world. So, though I am not saying they are to be admired, they are not some bad thing, unless you buy into the propaganda that westernized media displays of them.


Comrad Nephi, you've got to be kidding?? Your ignorance is troubling. Where in the hell do you get your assinine information? Whoever has poisoned your brain is evil.

Where to start??? China is a sweatshop economy. There are no child labor laws. They imprison/execute those that speak out against the single party system. They will murder (abort) your second and subsequent children. I believe they are even exempt of the Kioto treaty. People work 19 hours and make equivelent to $3 a day.

Over 30,000,000 human beings have been murdered under communism since 1921 for "crimes" of conscience (or is it 300 million?). Did you miss the memo?
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Post by _dartagnan »

Good grief Nephi,

To say China can't be all that bad simply because the economy is booming, is borderline idiotic.

Slavery went far to make sure several economies "boomed" in the past. During the Civil War the Confederate States had the most respectable and lucrative economy, but this doesn't translate to respectability of government. China also is responsible for 12 of the most polluted cities in the world. The Chinese government is not interested in anyone or anything else, except itself.

What's left to respect?
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Post by _karl61 »

Give little Nephi a break. He likely just read some early LDS Utah history: closed market; men at power, very suspicious of those outside.
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