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I guess my main question is: Is there any room in the Church for broad, creative, dramatic expression


Sure. But I think the real question is does such expression have to depict perversion or moral degeneracy as defined by the LDS Church to qualify for being broad, creative, and dramatic in your own mind?
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I think Arnold Friberg qualifies as a great artist.

There is also one, on the tip of my tongue as it were, who drew these little cartoonish monsterheads driving hot rods and such. He converted to the LDS Church and has passed away. His stuff used to be on stickers, lunch boxes, and school folders everywhere when I was young. I always thought he was a great artist......
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http://www.lightplanet.com/Mormons/music/music.html

Here's a synopsis of music and Mormonism. Hicks begins, promising enough with this line, "Throughout the Church's history, music has always permeated the assemblies of the Saints and has energized their pursuit of spiritual and cultural betterment. The diversity of styles in the Church is echoed in the diversity of roles that music plays in LDS life."

Following this statement is a brief paragraph summarizing the place of music in church members' lives (all brethren sanctioned): roadshows, pageants, and family home evening make the list. I think given Hick's list, it's not too far from the truth to likewise argue that the diversity of ways to most economically connect two dots in space reflects the diversity of styles in drawing straight lines.

It seems, according to Hicks, that music had a hopeful future in Mormonism's early days, he notes,
From the 1870s through 1920, the Sunday School and other Church auxiliaries gradually assumed leadership in musical training, providing singing lessons and band memberships for young Latter-day Saints as well as publishing a large amount of newly composed music.


But then the church's creativity stifling top-down approach registers:

Little attempt was made to correlate or standardize LDS musical affairs until 1920, when President Heber J. Grant appointed a General Music Committee for the Church.


The type of music most consistently endorsed has been sacred vocal music prepared especially for LDS worship. LDS composers have written hundreds of hymns and anthems and have created many large-scale, sometimes modernistic sacred works, such as Evan Stephens's "dramatic cantatas" of the 1920s


I'm sure Grant and his committee saw to that (the bold). Scratch's link to totalitarian art forms rings true. Unforgettably, per Hicks, there are also the pageants -- those who have been to the Manti pageant surely have been possessed by the spirit of Mozart -- and the youth music in the 70's and 80's the church desperately threw together to answer the influence of rock n' roll.

A few stylistic issues have surfaced in the twentieth century. Some Church authorities have advised against certain popular styles of music


The thinking has been done...

Nevertheless, in nonliturgical settings, ethnic religious music thrives


Keep that crazy African music out of the chapel!

But Hicks is torn between speaking honestly and perpetuating the ruse.

The enduring value of much music indigenous to the Church is difficult to predict.


Say it isn't so! You mean, the church that breeds the best and brightest, and infuses them with the power of the Holy Ghost isn't sure to produce the next "more spiritual" version of Wagner, as SWK predicted?

On the one hand, the vernacular music often echoes the more ephemeral styles of denominational Christian music.


We've all read the small print from the Hymn books and know LDS worship music is ripped off from other churches and the local bars of early Mormonism, and that it has never evolved a single step since then.

On the other hand, some impressive settings have emerged from the hymnody of the Church, and some of the larger works manifest a continuing increase in sophistication.


Such as the "sometimes modern" compositions one can count on a single hand that spanned the first part of the twentieth century he listed earlier?

Furthermore, the extensive use of worship music borrowed from other Christian traditions unites the Saints to a larger fellowship of believers.


Mediocrity is a blessing, if SWK's dream were realized, how could Mormons relate to the rest of the world?

Above all, the sheer abundance of music in the Church reveals how untiring are the aesthetic impulses of its members. Whether or not a distinctively LDS style emerges, music of many styles undoubtedly will continue to inspire the Saints.


Cultural betterment where there is no distinctive culture. I wonder how that works.
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bcspace wrote:I think Arnold Friberg qualifies as a great artist.



Wonderful homo-erotic work.

I guess my main question is: Is there any room in the Church for broad, creative, dramatic expression


Of course there is room. There are many fine LDS artists. Unfortunately, most contemporary artists from any background are unknown, but they are still good. Does anyone know of any LDS painter who are like Diego Rivera in style? - I always liked his work.
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Diego Rivera with Lamanites Making Mural
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Copypasted:
http://www.exmormon.org/Mormon/mormon210.htm wrote:Do any of you remember this talk? It was given at BYU by Gordon Bowen. Here is a quote:
"We are a Church of nearly 10 million people. That is more people than lived in Italy during the Renaissance and we are as numerous as our Jewish brethren. Yet, where are our Michelangelo's and Meryl Streep's? Our Frank Capra's and Monet's? Our Shakespeare's and Bryshnikov's?"


The "Dialogue" or the "Sunstone" had a noteworthy article about this (it says the Mormon lifestyle and high level in any art are not compatible). It is stored on my other workplace, I will reveal it after I found it.
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moksha wrote:[img]a%20picture%20with%20a%20different%20title,%20the%20courtesy%20of%20Google[/img]
Diego Rivera with Lamanites Making Mural

http://encarta.msn.com/media_461564491/Mexican_Mural_by_Diego_Rivera.html wrote:During the early part of the 20th century, Mexican artists revived the mural as an art form. The art of mural painting in Mexico reached its peak in the works of Diego Rivera, the most prolific and best-known of the Mexican muralists. This fresco by Rivera, La Civilización Tarasca, depicts indigenous people of Mexico dyeing and decorating fabric.
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Don't get me started. For one thing, this thread pretty much encapsulates why I could never be a Mormon and why I "left" when very young. That's right, in large part it was aesthetics (which are always ideological) that generated my exit (you can read about this in "My So-Called Exit Story" in my blog). For another thing, I'm very busy this week taking an exmormon friend on le Grande Tour: spending time at the Met, MOMA, the Guggenheim, the Whitney, P.S. 1, the Noguchi Museum, Japan House, Neue Gallery and doing the rounds through Chelsea. Quel coincidence, eh?

A few quick comments:

---on SWK's remarks: It was not in spite of their so-called "immorality" that great artists created but because of it. SWK seems to think that this alleged "vice" was something that inhibited creativity, and so if it were removed creativity would increase. Hogwash. In fact what he calls "immorality" would be more properly deicribed as creativity, intellectual curiousity and critical ability.

---Scratch mentioned James Joyce. I've been talking in a telestial thread about how much his work spoke to me as a young person growing up in Mormon Utah. I've recently been rereading "Portrait of the Artist..." and the draft version "Stephen Hero" and remembering how much I was moved by both his excoriation of religious intellectual/aesthetic strictures and his representation of women's lives foreclosed:


"These were books that made a huge impact on me as a young adult in terms of living in a place with a dominant and overbearing religion. I both identified with Stephen, and also felt diminished by the comparison since I was not "leaving" a "real" religious tradition with some aesthetic weight, but what seemed to me just a third-rate hodge podge of...as I said before...no art or
intellectual significance.

As I was reading through the Christmas dinner scene, where fanatical Aunt Dante defends the priests against criticism of their political meddling (over Parnell), I was reminded of some of the "debates" here: the same absolutist judgementalism and slavish devotion to authority. The similarity was startling even in the details: exaggerated claims of "winning" some debate apparently based on the degree of self righteous invective and reference to supernatural or scriptural "witness" beyond the reach of criticism.

"Stephen Hero" also had particular relevance to me as a girl in Utah, because in that version Joyce includes a heartbreakingly sympathetic treatment of the way women are especially trapped and exploited by a patriarchal religion. The portrait of Stephen's mother is very sad: an uneducated but intellectually curious woman who tries to follow her son's interests, and in her own way does understand the Ibsen plays he lends her better than many of her background would, yet a woman whose human development has been completely structured by a fear and guilt-producing religion. His sister Isabel is little more than a pawn/sacrifice to the same religion. I think it is in "Ulysses" that Stephen Dedalus sees Isabel, or perhaps another sister, looking curiously through a book stall and realized that "she is drowning": she has interests and instincts that will never come to fruition.

---I like Moksha's interest in Diego Rivera (I would hope he some day gets the chance to see it in situ as well), but he would do well to remember the fate of Rivera's Rockefeller commission.

---I'd like to know more about the church's early "art missions"---whether or no they produced anything "good" (the subject of a different discussion) the fact that they happened at all is fascinating and I think quite obviously beyond the pale for the church at this point.

---Neil LaBute and Brian Evenson: argh, I really don't want to go there. I'm glad LaBute "woke up" but if I had the time and the masochistic drive I'd write a lenthy critique of his work which tied the worst of his pretend-critique-of-misogyny misogyny, pretend-critique-of-homophobia homophobia and pretend-critique-of-class-prejudice class prejudice explicity to his Mormonism. I'd probably blame his crappy sense of humor on Mormonism, too. Evenson? Let's just say I was profoundly nonplussed by "The Open Curtain." I can't imagine how someone could so badly bungle such a great bit of historical material.
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Mister Scratch wrote:
I guess my main question is: Is there any room in the Church for broad, creative, dramatic expression?


Your question made me think of a passage in the Ostling Book, Mormon America:

"A characteristically literal turn of mind combined with dogmatic Mormon ideals and a certain cultural isolation results in a highly sentimentalized art. In Mormonism, art is confused with propaganda, never with a quest; preconceived answers precede questions. In Mormon culture art is inspiration or entertainment, not exploration. As a result, Mormons-like those in some other American sectarian groups-are largely absent from the highest levels of achievement in the fine arts, literature, and the humanities in general."

...and they go on to say that history is an arguable exception.

This book is a few years old but I think this observation is still largely true. I would note that finding technically accomplished
Mormons working in the arts would not be that difficult. But the distinction they’re making here “largely absent from the highest levels of achievement” is key. If you’re trying to find artists notable for innovation, depth, ground-breaking in some way, who are also Mormon, you’re going to come up short.
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Mister Scratch wrote:Is there any room in the Church for broad, creative, dramatic expression?


It should have equal time with gun collecting and NASCAR.

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