"High Moral Conduct"

[_Coggins7]

What I think is funny is that Mormons claim (and many Mormons believe) that Mormon conduct matches their stated code of conduct. In other words Mormonism says you should not fornicate--therefore Mormons do not fornicate. Although this may be true for many, even a majority of Mormons, if you are paying any attention you will know that it is very far from the truth that all Mormons do not fornicate.

The truth is, a large number of Mormons are fornicating, committing adultery and everything in between. There is a massive self deception going on. This is a very trick slight of hand. Because it allows Mormons to feel a sense of moral superiority--but that feeling is based on a false premise.

Any verifiable or falsifiable evidence to support these claims John?

You do not make a distinction here between faithful, serious Mormons, and those who do not observe their religion or take it seriously. If a majority of Mormons, are living there religion, I'd be quite satisfied with this state of affairs, and I think, among the active and faithful this is true.

[_Coggins7]

So true. As I entered the single world years ago, many friends suggested doing the internet dating thing. The irony was that they said if I was just out for booty, do the LDS Singles.com,

Oh my, here come more stories...

[_BishopRic]

So true. As I entered the single world years ago, many friends suggested doing the internet dating thing. The irony was that they said if I was just out for booty, do the LDS Singles.com,

Oh my, here come more stories...

Yeah, funny how the stories from the "exmo liberals" are viewed as false and unverifiable by Cogs. But of course the faith promoting, testimony building magical tales are swallowed hook, line and sinker. No wonder the cog-dis of the Cogs leaves him with such bitterness and angst. We would all have his problems if we had such mistrust in humanity!

[_beastie]

Mormons preach against drinking, smoking, coffee, tea, premarital sex, masturbation. They teach being honest with your fellow man. To them, this means that they are morally superior to the rest of the world.

This moral superiority is particularly noxious in Utah. I will never forget my first year at BYU - I was a nineteen year old convert from back east. One of the girls in my ward took me home one weekend in rural Utah. Her parents quizzed me at length about how awful it must be to live back east, where evil is so rampant. Honestly, they acted like my life and chastity was at risk just by stepping out my front door.

Most Mormons are not that extreme, these were rural people who had never been exposed to anyplace but Utah and Mormonism. But yes, Mormons do view themselves as morally superior to the rest of the world.

This is the same reason that Mormons often view exmormons as sinful. Yeah, when you no longer believe in Mormonism, you may actually decide that drinking alcohol and having sex with someone you love isn't a sin. But by the LDS yardstick, you are committing awful sins (and that's probably why you left the church to begin with)

I actually didn't take a sip of alcohol (other than communion at my episcopalian church) for two years after I left the LDS church due to this indoctrination. The first time was spiked punch at a baby shower. It was kind of scary.

[_John Larsen]

What I think is funny is that Mormons claim (and many Mormons believe) that Mormon conduct matches their stated code of conduct. In other words Mormonism says you should not fornicate--therefore Mormons do not fornicate. Although this may be true for many, even a majority of Mormons, if you are paying any attention you will know that it is very far from the truth that all Mormons do not fornicate.

The truth is, a large number of Mormons are fornicating, committing adultery and everything in between. There is a massive self deception going on. This is a very trick slight of hand. Because it allows Mormons to feel a sense of moral superiority--but that feeling is based on a false premise.

Any verifiable or falsifiable evidence to support these claims John

Yes.

You do not make a distinction here between faithful, serious Mormons, and those who do not observe their religion or take it seriously. If a majority of Mormons, are living there religion, I'd be quite satisfied with this state of affairs, and I think, among the active and faithful this is true.

I have personally known several "faithful, serious Mormons" who have committed fornication or adultery. Your idea that the faithful do not sin is the antithesis of Christian teaching.

[_aussieguy55]

I remember reading in an issue of Dialogue a paper by an LDS sociologist on sexual issues among LDS youth and comparing it to the youth of other churches. If I remember correctly the findings were that both LDS and Evangelical youth had a lower rate of premarital sex than youth outside and inside other churches. However there was a significant number of LDS youth who were involved in heavy petting to the point of orgasm. So technically the they remained virgins as there was no penetration.

[_BishopRic]

What I think is funny is that Mormons claim (and many Mormons believe) that Mormon conduct matches their stated code of conduct. In other words Mormonism says you should not fornicate--therefore Mormons do not fornicate. Although this may be true for many, even a majority of Mormons, if you are paying any attention you will know that it is very far from the truth that all Mormons do not fornicate.

The truth is, a large number of Mormons are fornicating, committing adultery and everything in between. There is a massive self deception going on. This is a very trick slight of hand. Because it allows Mormons to feel a sense of moral superiority--but that feeling is based on a false premise.

Any verifiable or falsifiable evidence to support these claims John?

You do not make a distinction here between faithful, serious Mormons, and those who do not observe their religion or take it seriously. If a majority of Mormons, are living there religion, I'd be quite satisfied with this state of affairs, and I think, among the active and faithful this is true.

[_Coggins7]

Any verifiable or falsifiable evidence to support these claims John

Yes.

Let's see it.

I have personally known several "faithful, serious Mormons" who have committed fornication or adultery. Your idea that the faithful do not sin is the antithesis of Christian teaching.

So have I. I've known many more, including myself, who were virgins when they knelt before the alter. It was you yourself who admitted that its quite possible that the majority of LDS keep these commandments. Why don't you stop your frothing now, John, so you can get back to Girls Gone Wild in Temple Square.

[_Tori]

What I think is funny is that Mormons claim (and many Mormons believe) that Mormon conduct matches their stated code of conduct. In other words Mormonism says you should not fornicate--therefore Mormons do not fornicate. Although this may be true for many, even a majority of Mormons, if you are paying any attention you will know that it is very far from the truth that all Mormons do not fornicate.

The truth is, a large number of Mormons are fornicating, committing adultery and everything in between. There is a massive self deception going on. This is a very trick slight of hand. Because it allows Mormons to feel a sense of moral superiority--but that feeling is based on a false premise.

Any verifiable or falsifiable evidence to support these claims John?

You do not make a distinction here between faithful, serious Mormons, and those who do not observe their religion or take it seriously. If a majority of Mormons, are living there religion, I'd be quite satisfied with this state of affairs, and I think, among the active and faithful this is true.

I can tell you it is happening in the Singles world. I was quite surprised after my divorce to find out what was going on at the Firesides, Dee's dances, etc. There is a whole weird 'singles subculture' out there, especially in Ut. County. I'm telling you, I only went to a couple of parties (of the 'active LDS Singles' variety) and there wasn't any alcohol, but there were plenty of people doing whatever in the bedrooms. It was kinda creepy.

Sorry! I logged in at Rick's house and somehow it still posted under him.

[_Coggins7]

Mormons preach against drinking, smoking, coffee, tea, premarital sex, masturbation. They teach being honest with your fellow man. To them, this means that they are morally superior to the rest of the world.

This phenomenon, in the area of morality, of what might be called exmo penis envy can be quite startling, even though its really nothing more than the standard secular liberal consciousness of moral fragility that accompanies life outside the Lord's commandments.

This moral superiority is particularly noxious in Utah. I will never forget my first year at BYU - I was a nineteen year old convert from back east. One of the girls in my ward took me home one weekend in rural Utah. Her parents quizzed me at length about how awful it must be to live back east, where evil is so rampant. Honestly, they acted like my life and chastity was at risk just by stepping out my front door.

Well, the coasts have long been associated with social and political liberalism, and the intense moral and socail dangers that fosters...

Most Mormons are not that extreme, these were rural people who had never been exposed to anyplace but Utah and Mormonism. But yes, Mormons do view themselves as morally superior to the rest of the world.

You've just been caught red handed in the biggest flat footed, self serving lie about the Church yet. The Church has never taught, and never contemplated any such moral superiority. Another mendacious little bigot amongst us? It seems so. Any Catholic, Protestant, Buddhist, Confucian, or Atheist who lives the commandments of God in the ethical and moral realm is considered just as moral as any Latter Day Saint who does the same. But since your substantive knowledge of LDS doctrine and philosophy is, again, akin to Harmony's, I wouldn't expect you to know the actual body of teaching on this matter, dating all the way back to BY.

As lying is morally questionable activity Beastie (as is hypocrisy) perhaps you should think twice about this kind of narcissistic pontification.

You exmos just can't hide who and what you really are, can you? After all the pretenses of scholarly and intellectual substantiveness have worn away, the truth is laid bare for our inspection.

This is the same reason that Mormons often view exmormons as sinful.

Apostasy from the Church is a sin in and of itself, yes.

I snipped the rest of this self indulgent pap for the sake of just doing it.