YOU TOO can be a sexual predator / prophet!

Post by **_Reformed Egyptian** » Tue May 13, 2008 8:54 pm

Sethbag wrote:It occurs to me that everything "above the foundation", according to your friend's definition, is also pretty much everything that differentiates the LDS church from every other church that believes in Jesus Christ.

So why isn't he a Catholic? Or a Baptist? Or a Methodist? They believe in Jesus Christ too. If that's all that's important, and everything "above the foundation" can be false, wrong, deceitful, fraudulent, etc., then why disqualify all the other Christian faiths?

This is a serious question. If everything "above the foundation" of Jesus Christ doesn't matter, then what can he still have against the Roman Catholic Church?

I agree...totally agree...and haven't been back for 'round 2' as yet.

Though, I'm certain the answer will be: The Spirit, spiritual witnesses, phood authority (Jesus went to John to be baptized cuz John had the authority)...authority...authority...authority...1st vision...the typical LDS basics which are all definitely above the foundation. 1+1=3.

It's so insane, and I'm feeling so 'blah' about all things LDS right now that I can't really even be bothered to argue or fight anymore...discussing LDS issues and problems with a TBM is like trying to teach algebra to a 4 year old - they just can't 'get it' (it's not that they won't, it's that they can't) -- and they frankly inversely believe that WE don't / can't get it: ie. the importance of the spirit and of our spiritual witnesses etc. in shoring up our testimonies in the face of so-called facts.

Post by **_Sethbag** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:27 pm

So, did your my wife or phood buddy tell you the main reason for your disbelief is that you aren't reading the scriptures or praying enough? In their worldview, that's a legitimate prescription for your "problem". The problem is, once you suffer from this problem reading the scriptures is just a complete joke.

Post by **_Reformed Egyptian** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:46 pm

Sethbag wrote:So, did your my wife or phood buddy tell you the main reason for your disbelief is that you aren't reading the scriptures or praying enough? In their worldview, that's a legitimate prescription for your "problem". The problem is, once you suffer from this problem reading the scriptures is just a complete joke.

my wife actually started off in the typical fashion:
- I sinned (no? ok then...)
- I wanted to sin (no? ok then...)
- Satan had me (no? hmmmm what else could it be?)...

Then I tried the 'I just want to know the truth and I can't any longer believe that 1+1=3 and I can no longer call bad good and good bad'...she didn't buy it...until recently.

Post by **_Dr. Shades** » Tue May 13, 2008 10:29 pm

Sethbag wrote:It occurs to me that everything "above the foundation", according to your friend's definition, is also pretty much everything that differentiates the LDS church from every other church that believes in Jesus Christ.

So why isn't he a Catholic? Or a Baptist? Or a Methodist? They believe in Jesus Christ too. If that's all that's important, and everything "above the foundation" can be false, wrong, deceitful, fraudulent, etc., then why disqualify all the other Christian faiths?

This is a serious question. If everything "above the foundation" of Jesus Christ doesn't matter, then what can he still have against the Roman Catholic Church?

You can't help hitting 'em out of the park today, can you?

Sethbag, would you mind if I borrowed 1% of your brain someday?

Post by **_guy sajer** » Wed May 14, 2008 1:52 pm

Sethbag wrote:You should have asked your phood dude why it is that a 16-year old Priest in the LDS Church isn't "worthy" to bless the sacrament if he's been fulfilling his sexual needs solo, but the Lord would actually reveal and restore the entire church, reveal great truths, send angels and other visitations, etc. to a sexual predator who "fulfilled his sexual needs" with several dozen other women behind his wife's back. That is utterly mind-boggling.

Good luck with your wife, man. My own my wife was at one time influenced by the negative things about the history of the church, enough to cause doubt to enter her mind, and I think she seriously flirted with the idea of leaving the church, but as she's stayed active, and her mom got back from her mission to Africa, my wife has settled back into the mindset of "all these people can't be wrong" and retreated back to not wanting to know anything, not wanting to talk about anything, and just asserting that she has a testimony, etc. It's frustrating, to be sure.

Clearly what the 16-year old needs to do is write up a bogus revelation in which the Lord commands him to spank the monkey. Then, invent a tale about some angel with a flaming penis, and, viola, he can jerk off to his heart's content, and the faithful will consider him a man of God.

_Yoda · Post by **_Yoda** » Wed May 14, 2008 11:07 pm

Reformed Egyptian wrote:
Sethbag wrote:You should have asked your phood dude why it is that a 16-year old Priest in the LDS Church isn't "worthy" to bless the sacrament if he's been fulfilling his sexual needs solo, but the Lord would actually reveal and restore the entire church, reveal great truths, send angels and other visitations, etc. to a sexual predator who "fulfilled his sexual needs" with several dozen other women behind his wife's back. That is utterly mind-boggling.

Good luck with your wife, man. My own my wife was at one time influenced by the negative things about the history of the church, enough to cause doubt to enter her mind, and I think she seriously flirted with the idea of leaving the church, but as she's stayed active, and her mom got back from her mission to Africa, my wife has settled back into the mindset of "all these people can't be wrong" and retreated back to not wanting to know anything, not wanting to talk about anything, and just asserting that she has a testimony, etc. It's frustrating, to be sure.

UTTERLY mind-boggling, insane and...yet...completely normal in the fog of cog-dis and TBMness. My friend mentioned above makes it work because if it's above the foundation, it simply doesn't matter. So, nothing matters and there are no issues which prove fraud or false or not God's true and living church (the SpiritTM can't be wrong...and 'living' means things can and do change). I frankly think he'd have eaten the applesauce with the Heaven's Gate folks.

I have another friend who makes it work by saying how wonderful it is that ALL we have to go on is FAITH that it's true for God gives us zero actual proof and tons of things that make reason stare to see if we'll still have FAITH.

As for me...for now...I live within the Matrix but am so not of the Matrix...and like Neo and Morpheus, I hope to eventually get a select few out of the Matrix (my family).

Reformed Egyptian, welcome to the board! :)

In light of your reference to the Matrix, you may get a kick out of this thread:

http://mormondiscussions.com/discuss/vi ... ism+matrix

Post by **_Reformed Egyptian** » Thu May 15, 2008 9:08 pm

liz3564 wrote:
Reformed Egyptian, welcome to the board! :)

In light of your reference to the Matrix, you may get a kick out of this thread:

http://mormondiscussions.com/discuss/vi ... ism+matrix

Thanks. Loved the Matrix link. I felt like I was there, in the room, sitting on the big comfy chair listening to Morpheus. It is scary how relevant and spot on that post is. SCARY.