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_Jason Bourne
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truth dancer wrote:
My husband and I looked at each other and were rather stunned. Certainly the spirit would not call a non-believer to bear testimony of the truth of the church right? (smile). Of course it was all about power still I thought it was sort of funny, in a weird, unhealthy sort of way.

My heart goes out to that poor sixteen year old girl; how really cruel to put a young person in such a difficult situation.

~dancer~

(And no I didn't bear my non-existent testimony... smile).



Two point. Whether you believed or not the bishop still did have power of your status as a member. He certainly did have the power to terminate that status.

Second, so don't leave is in suspense! What did you do when he called you up? Man was he a risk taker. If he knew you did not believe who knows what you coulda woulda said.
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truth dancer wrote:
(And no I didn't bear my non-existent testimony... smile).


opps

Missed that on my last post.
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truth dancer wrote:The following Sunday, during the middle of Sacrament meeting, before the final speaker got up, the Bishop stood up and said that the spirit had inspired him to call Sis. truth dancer up to bear her testimony.

My husband and I looked at each other and were rather stunned. Certainly the spirit would not call a non-believer to bear testimony of the truth of the church right?


If you were a non-believer, why were you in Sacrament Meeting?
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"

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Two point. Whether you believed or not the bishop still did have power of your status as a member. He certainly did have the power to terminate that status.


I already was a total non-believer and did not care in the least if my name was on the roles of the church. I think the whole Court of Love thing is completely ridiculous; an archaic form of shunning, totally about power and control. I felt no need whatsoever to meet with any LDS leader, Catholic leader, Imam, or Christian pastor to explain my personal spiritual journey. :-)

Dr. Shades, my family are all believers so I still go to sacrament meeting with them, not for any religious reasons but to be supportive. They all know I am not a believer in any sense of the word.

So what did I do?

It was quite uncomfortable and awkward for sure. If my family were not there I would have refused to go up and walked out of the church but I didn't want to embarrass my loved ones so. The Bishop was purposely trying to exert his power and authority (gag) which I found as sick as it was desperate.

As I walked up to the pulpit I tried to think of a scripture that reflected the difference I felt between the church and what I consider true holiness. One of my favorite scriptures popped into my mind; I still love it today and hold it in my heart as a teaching worth embracing: Corinthians 13: 1-13, on love. I had it memorized so relayed the teaching of Paul, then briefly shared my belief that all the church "stuff" didn't matter at all but what is important is love for one another. No testimony, no praise of the church, no "I know," the church is true, nothing like that.

The Bishop at the time was an extraordinarily boastful, arrogant, man constantly trying to wow the ward with his revelations, I actually had a few TBMs in the ward tell me that the Bishop needed to hear that scripture. :-) So maybe the bishop was inspired after all? LOL!

~dancer~


Corinthians 13:

Love
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains and have not charity, I am nothing.

3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

4 ¶ Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,

5 doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;

6 rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;

7 beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

8 ¶ Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly, but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
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Thanks Truth Dancer, that was really nice. I had to take my time as for some reason the words are dancing all over the screen, but I got it. I really like that. It reminded me of my bishop the funny thing is that one time he prophesised, and I had already told a friend in the church several months before that what he prophesised would come about. Hehe. And I thought only the bish could gain revelation for the ward. I told him after he mentioned it, he said the Lord is trying to stregnthen my testimony.
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truth dancer wrote:Dr. Shades, my family are all believers so I still go to sacrament meeting with them, not for any religious reasons but to be supportive.


Wouldn't it be easier to be supportive from home?
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"

--Louis Midgley
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I already was a total non-believer and did not care in the least if my name was on the roles of the church. I think the whole Court of Love thing is completely ridiculous; an archaic form of shunning, totally about power and control. I felt no need whatsoever to meet with any LDS leader, Catholic leader, Imam, or Christian pastor to explain my personal spiritual journey. :-)


Yes I understand that. Just pointing out a technicality perhaps.

Dr. Shades, my family are all believers so I still go to sacrament meeting with them, not for any religious reasons but to be supportive. They all know I am not a believer in any sense of the word.

So what did I do?

It was quite uncomfortable and awkward for sure. If my family were not there I would have refused to go up and walked out of the church but I didn't want to embarrass my loved ones so. The Bishop was purposely trying to exert his power and authority (gag) which I found as sick as it was desperate.

As I walked up to the pulpit I tried to think of a scripture that reflected the difference I felt between the church and what I consider true holiness. One of my favorite scriptures popped into my mind; I still love it today and hold it in my heart as a teaching worth embracing: Corinthians 13: 1-13, on love. I had it memorized so relayed the teaching of Paul, then briefly shared my belief that all the church "stuff" didn't matter at all but what is important is love for one another. No testimony, no praise of the church, no "I know," the church is true, nothing like that.

The Bishop at the time was an extraordinarily boastful, arrogant, man constantly trying to wow the ward with his revelations, I actually had a few TBMs in the ward tell me that the Bishop needed to hear that scripture. :-) So maybe the bishop was inspired after all? LOL!


I must say you handled it very well!
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Post by _Inconceivable »

Thanks TD,

I think that is one of the few chapters in the Bible that portrays the true meaning of what I used to think of deity - and how to identify those closest to them.
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Post by _truth dancer »

Hey Shades,

Wouldn't it be easier to be supportive from home?


Definitely!

;-)

~dancer~
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truth dancer wrote:
Wouldn't it be easier to be supportive from home?


Definitely!


In that case, come next Sunday I urge you to support your family from the comfort of your own home.

Please return & report.
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"

--Louis Midgley
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