Double Standard--Question for Will, et. al. from MAD

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1) FARMS associates, plural, are secretively monitoring this message board
2) Will has made several remarks about mutual masterbation and allusions to prostitutes with lice and sores which are highly sexists and cruel towards a class of people who exist mainly because of poor economic conditions, lack of educational opportunities, and abuse at home, and nothing else.
3) The FARMS apologists don't notice anything at all wrong with 2, and are likely getting a big horse laugh out of it. No doubt, the more graphic Will's posts become, the more pats on the back and "good one"'s he's getting from FARMS.


You aren't just realizing this phenomenon, are you? I long ago noticed this sort of vicarious pleasure, "secret" thrill that some believers get out of the rank behavior of one of their own - as long as the venom is targeted towards critics. Think Pahoran. I really believe that most internet defenders of the faith feel frequently frustrated and unsettled about these "debates", and that frustration builds until they would love to just let loose - but they're not quite comfortable with that type of behavior so refrain. But boy do some love it when one of their own does let loose.

So, Shadesville exists for the MAD and FARMS dwellers to kick loose and be vulgar, which of course, is poetry to their ears.

Might they also be egging him on for even move vulgar outbursts because they think we deserve it. Es possible, no?


Absolutely. And the fact that they don't seem to realize how poorly the whole things reflects on their "side" to me bespeaks of some satisfied need.
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beastie wrote:
1) FARMS associates, plural, are secretively monitoring this message board
2) Will has made several remarks about mutual masterbation and allusions to prostitutes with lice and sores which are highly sexists and cruel towards a class of people who exist mainly because of poor economic conditions, lack of educational opportunities, and abuse at home, and nothing else.
3) The FARMS apologists don't notice anything at all wrong with 2, and are likely getting a big horse laugh out of it. No doubt, the more graphic Will's posts become, the more pats on the back and "good one"'s he's getting from FARMS.


You aren't just realizing this phenomenon, are you? I long ago noticed this sort of vicarious pleasure, "secret" thrill that some believers get out of the rank behavior of one of their own - as long as the venom is targeted towards critics. Think Pahoran. I really believe that most internet defenders of the faith feel frequently frustrated and unsettled about these "debates", and that frustration builds until they would love to just let loose - but they're not quite comfortable with that type of behavior so refrain. But boy do some love it when one of their own does let loose.

So, Shadesville exists for the MAD and FARMS dwellers to kick loose and be vulgar, which of course, is poetry to their ears.

Might they also be egging him on for even move vulgar outbursts because they think we deserve it. Es possible, no?


Absolutely. And the fact that they don't seem to realize how poorly the whole things reflects on their "side" to me bespeaks of some satisfied need.


I think they're viewed as a sort of virtual warrior caste. Every tribe has their warriors to do the dirty work, a sort of unpleasant necessity for most I figure. This is just another stripe of warrior to defend the tribe from outside "attack". Crusaders. Jihadists. The Peasants' Red Army. Lee Greenwood. Mopologists. Different circumstances, same mindset. The womenfolk especially like to send them off to war.
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Re: Double Standard--Question for Will, et. al. from MAD

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moksha wrote:So, Shadesville exists for the MAD and FARMS dwellers to kick loose and be vulgar, which of course, is poetry to their ears.


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Post by _Gadianton »

Beastie,

I most definitely have noticed it. I stated the above as I did to document the facts only. It's some of our very own critics who have claimed Mister Scratch has been exaggerating the moral corruption of many of the apologists. It really doesn't matter to me what kind of language Will uses, doesn't bother me at all. It's not like there aren't critics who go to the same lengths to be offensive. To my knowledge, Will isn't being paid for his apologetics so that kind of gives him a pass in my mind.

But what on earth he was thinking by revealing the above? Multiple members of FARMS are following his trail of crude posts in starved anticipation for his next vulgar metaphor?

It's not just that an LDS poster is being crude. It's not just that other LDS posters are enjoying it. But that compensated apologists whose bank accounts as we speak are accruing interest for their defenses of the church are enjoying it.

I mentioned the Hannibal Lector Revenge Fantasy on another thread. This is the propensity for an audience to sympathize with a killer when that killer takes out "bad" people for minor offenses. It happens all the time in movies.

Mister Scratch had made the point about the authers of that new MMM book, can't remember what it's called, arguing that the incident happened because of the emmigrants, "They were discourteous"

What I find more fascinating is what that says about the intended audience. We know that apologists are allowed to manipulate the right side of the equation with a good deal of freedom, so long as the left side doesn't change. To the extent they are successful with their selected audience reveals the hidden assumptions and standards of justification that audience holds. So this is very telling, that an apologetic work aims at this base reflex that is apparently a very real part of the Mormon audience.
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Post by _William Schryver »

CK:

I'm sure that if you went around your city of residence emulating the behavior of the worst of its denizens, you wouldn't be any more popular with the majority of its residents than you are with the majority here.

Your analogy is flawed in a fundamental – and quite telling – fashion. You see, it is the majority of the residents of the GSTP™ who constitute “the worst of its denizens." Not only that, but the greatest applause is reserved for the worst of the worst: the acknowledged leaders of the GSTP™; the harlots of its hovels.

Due to your selective vision, you come to our Rome and take Boaz as the archetypal Roman.

No, my friend, B&L and Merc are simply the court jesters. The slutish whores of my metaphors are the sore-covered carcasses going by the names of Scratchy, Rollo, Gadianton, antishock8, harmony, beastlie, Jersey Girl, dartagnan, Infymus, guy sajer, Chap, Trevor, SWSU, cksalmon, Some Schmo, and several other lesser imps and demons that I shall refrain from mentioning in the interest of time.

Yet over in Troy, your image of the archetypal Trojan is evidently untainted by the behavior of the anomalous few (like Juliann, Pahoran, and selek).

Troy? MADB? Somehow I would have never linked the two in my own mind. As for Julie Reynolds, I’ve met her and find her to be a very kind and considerate woman. selek I do not know well, but he sounds like someone worthy of trust. Pahoran and I have communicated little, if at all, over the years. However, I hold him in very high esteem based on the many times he has taken deserving critics and chopped them up in little pieces and fed them to the dogs. I am not worthy to loose the latchet of his shoes.

At least our community isn't owned and controlled by an aberrant individual. I can't say the same for MADB.

I don’t know who owns and controls the MAD board, and therefore cannot speak to your allegations that said individual is aberrant.

In any case, I actually think a different real-world analogue than Rome fits better here. In the Netherlands … they are surprised when they natives look less than kindly upon their behavior.

I consider your analogy ill-applied.

I'm hoping, Will, that the novelty of being free to sin that seems to so thrill you will eventually wear off, and you will be back to your more sober self.

Don’t count on it.
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Gadianton:
1) FARMS associates, plural, are secretively monitoring this message board

I think you mean “secretly”. And, incidentally, there is a logical disconnect between what I actually said and the conclusion you have reached. Of course, that’s never stood in the way of the fantasies you create here, so I don’t expect it to impede you now.

2) Will has made several remarks about mutual masterbation and allusions to prostitutes with lice and sores which are highly sexists and cruel towards a class of people who exist mainly because of poor economic conditions, lack of educational opportunities, and abuse at home, and nothing else.

CFR

3) The FARMS apologists don't notice anything at all wrong with 2, and are likely getting a big horse laugh out of it. No doubt, the more graphic Will's posts become, the more pats on the back and "good one"'s he's getting from FARMS.

Before long, you will have made the Scratchian transition from one thread of truth to a complete tapestry of lies. Good job! Your mentor harlots will be proud.
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moksha:

So, Shadesville exists for the MAD and FARMS dwellers to kick loose and be vulgar …

No, this place exists in fulfillment of the prophecy:

Behold, ere he is aware, he is left unto himself, to kick against the pricks, to persecute the saints, and to fight against God.

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antishock8:

I think they're viewed as a sort of virtual warrior caste.

Oh! I like that! Where’s my warpaint and drum?
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Gadianton (again):
It's not just that an LDS poster is being crude. It's not just that other LDS posters are enjoying it. But that compensated apologists whose bank accounts as we speak are accruing interest for their defenses of the church are enjoying it.

Here we go …

Before long, you'll have President Packer (between fits of laughter) reading excerpts from my posts during their weekly meeting.

I can see it now: Will has revealed that he is a close friend of the son of one of the Twelve; the Twelve is therefore monitoring everything that happens on the Mormon Discussions message board; we are even more important than we previously believed; we're in danger ...

And so the world turns in The Great and Spacious Trailer Park™.
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Post by _beastie »

I conclude that some of you simply over-estimate Will. He is a fundamentalist at heart. People who criticize The One True Church are, by definition, the "worst of the worst", motivated by dark impulses founded in Satan. Posters can be practically impeccable in their language and politeness, (look at some on his list, and remember how he attacked runtu), and still be "the worst of the worst". So Will's vulgarity and crudity are justified in his eyes, and in the eyes of his fans. He is, after all, fighting Satan. Children, this is your brain on Mormonism.

The rest of us have the satisfaction of knowing his behavior will likely be considered a black mark on Mormonism (fruits) by those on the fence or "gentile". That is exactly why I hope people like Will and Pahoran continue as they are, and why I hope they continue to give into their vanity and brag about all their fans. I think people should know that Mormons aren't morally superior, and, in fact, give into base impulses about as frequently as anyone else. In other words - religion doesn't do a darn bit of good as far as shaping moral character. (::cough, requisite inhibitor, cough:::)

Keep it up, Will! Good work!!
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William Schryver wrote:No, my friend, B&L and Merc are simply the court jesters. The slutish whores of my metaphors are the sore-covered carcasses going by the names of Scratchy, Rollo, Gadianton, antishock8, harmony, beastlie, Jersey Girl, dartagnan, Infymus, guy sajer, Chap, Trevor, SWSU, cksalmon, Some Schmo, and several other lesser imps and demons that I shall refrain from mentioning in the interest of time.


Will, if all LDS were like you, I'd walk out of the church today and never return. Thankfully they are not. Thankfully, they are kind to the friendless, loving to the downtrodden, and would be appalled at your behavior. You show your ignorance of the gospel of Jesus Christ with every keystroke, and your behavior is noted by He whose name you shame. Procrastinating your repentence won't make it any easier. Your refusal to bend your knee only shows your lack of integrity or moral character, and for what it's worth: I don't believe for a second that anyone, let alone several people, have expressed any approval of your behavior here. Perhaps I have more faith in those who call themselves apologists than the norm here, but I just can't see Daniel C Peterson, PhD approving of your childish antics. Nor David Bokovoy. Nor anyone with any merit in the LDS apologist world. You're standing alone on your stage, and you don't even notice the frigid silence that your base humor is eliciting, which tells me you have no concept of the baseness of your sin. You shame your bishop and your priesthood, and anyone who calls themselves Mormon.

This weekend, I had 221 opportunities to show non-LDS what a real Mormon does, how we behave, how we live our religion. I didn't use you as an example. I should have been able to, but your behavior is simply not up to LDS standards.
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Post by _moksha »

William Schryver wrote:.
Moksha:

So, Shadesville exists for the MAD and FARMS dwellers to kick loose and be vulgar …

No, this place exists in fulfillment of the prophecy:

Behold, ere he is aware, he is left unto himself, to kick against the pricks, to persecute the saints, and to fight against God.

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Wouldn't it just be easier to take a gentler tact in making your points? Must you seek to fulfill this prophecy here?
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Post by _cksalmon »

William Schryver wrote:Gadianton:
1) FARMS associates, plural, are secretively monitoring this message board

I think you mean “secretly”. And, incidentally, there is a logical disconnect between what I actually said and the conclusion you have reached. Of course, that’s never stood in the way of the fantasies you create here, so I don’t expect it to impede you now.

Typically, I think it's a bit petty to get on folks for spelling or word usage when meaning is not affected. In this case, however, "secretively" is actually perfectly-acceptable American English.

William Schryver wrote:The slutish whores of my metaphors are the sore-covered carcasses going by the names of Scratchy, Rollo, Gadianton, antishock8, harmony, beastlie, Jersey Girl, dartagnan, Infymus, guy sajer, Chap, Trevor, SWSU, cksalmon, Some Schmo, and several other lesser imps and demons that I shall refrain from mentioning in the interest of time.

Now, this is one we really should address, I think, as it appears to be a favorite of yours: "sluttish," rather than "slutish." It's a bit hard for me to appreciate the full force of the insult when I’m hearing “SLOOT-ish” in my head. Just sayin’.

That’s quite a list of sore-covered carcasses I’ve joined in your world.
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