Peterson/Hamblin: "Backslappin Bros"

[_harmony]

Can there really be that little to do in Provo that these types of self promoted events get attention? . . . Well perhaps there is something even stranger about those who would actually come to hear him. . . So the audience will include the "Peterson Lap Dogs" of LOAP, Nehor, Pahoran [DELETED, PER TERRESTRIAL-SPECIFIC RULE #2--CKS]

I'll be honest: The Olivewood Bookstore is a short drive away from my house, so I definitely would've gone to it had I known about it.

Why, you ask? This is for two reasons:

First, to get a handle on what sort of apologetics are de rigeur these days. You can't do much better than getting it straight from "the horse's mouth," as they say. This is how I became updated on John Gee's latest thoughts vis-a-vis the Book of Abraham.

Second, say what you want about Daniel Peterson, but the straight fact of the matter is that he's a highly talented and engaging public speaker. If I had known about it in advance, I probably would've attended no matter what topic he was speaking on.

Well, heck. I'd have gone too, if for no other reason than the entertainment value. Kinda a long drive for me to make, though.

[_Dwight Frye]

I'll be honest: The Olivewood Bookstore is a short drive away from my house, so I definitely would've gone to it had I known about it.

Why, you ask? This is for two reasons:

First, to get a handle on what sort of apologetics are de rigeur these days. You can't do much better than getting it straight from "the horse's mouth," as they say. This is how I became updated on John Gee's latest thoughts vis-a-vis the Book of Abraham.

Second, say what you want about Daniel Peterson, but the straight fact of the matter is that he's a highly talented and engaging public speaker. If I had known about it in advance, I probably would've attended no matter what topic he was speaking on.

Well, heck. I'd have gone too, if for no other reason than the entertainment value. Kinda a long drive for me to make, though.

Good news, guys (and gals); DCP's appearance isn't until Thursday, Dec. 4. See here.

See you there?

[_Mister Scratch]

I agree that their self-sustaining obsequiousness is quite off-putting.

[_Dr. Shades]

Good news, guys (and gals); DCP's appearance isn't until Thursday, Dec. 4. See here.

See you there?

Yep, I'll be there!

[_Joey]

Can there really be that little to do in Provo that these types of self promoted events get attention? . . . Well perhaps there is something even stranger about those who would actually come to hear him. . . So the audience will include the "Peterson Lap Dogs" of LOAP, Nehor, Pahoran [DELETED, PER TERRESTRIAL-SPECIFIC RULE #2--CKS]

I'll be honest: The Olivewood Bookstore is a short drive away from my house, so I definitely would've gone to it had I known about it.

Why, you ask? This is for two reasons:

First, to get a handle on what sort of apologetics are de rigeur these days. You can't do much better than getting it straight from "the horse's mouth," as they say. This is how I became updated on John Gee's latest thoughts vis-a-vis the Book of Abraham.

Second, say what you want about Daniel Peterson, but the straight fact of the matter is that he's a highly talented and engaging public speaker. If I had known about it in advance, I probably would've attended no matter what topic he was speaking on.

And third (perhaps) "I want to extend an olive branch to the chaple Peterson so he thinks about gracing our board again"!!

Sorry, but for all the years I've seen this arrogant rep of the LDS church condemn all those he declares are not qualified to address issues that go against the conclusions of FARMS, his speaking on DNA is about as hysterical as those declaring that Clark n Sorenson have provided credible works establishing a Book of Mormon historicity in mesoamerica.

I will give you he may be an entertaining figure in Provo within a 1-2 mile radious of the BYU campus, or at some ward fireside with enough email intro from the other guy who has nothing to do in life (Hamblin), but why not give his bookstore speech in front of those who have the intellect to understand DNA or ask questions??

Hope you go, ask him why he believes he is qualified. Ask him if he would present infront of a reputable academic institution. Ask him if Watson is available to respond to questions about the second (supposed) letter.

Otherwise, tell him what agreat guy he is and if he would consider coming back to this board!!!.

[_cinepro]

Slightly off-topic, but today in Gospel Doctrine our teacher decided to add a visual aid to our discussion of Mormon and his battles: it was a printout of a painting by noted LDS artist Minerva Teichert.

Unfortunately, the painting was of "Lamanite Warriors" but showed more traditional "indian" warriors riding horses and wearing big feather headdresses. I kept waiting for the teacher to ask the class "How many things are wrong with this picture...?" but the class just continued.

The Limited Geography Theory of the Book of Mormon was set back 50 years in my ward today, and I was powerless to stop it.

[_The Dude]

Hmmm.... I'm a critic and I am not disappointed with the way the DNA evidence has played out. Not one bit.

I hire archaeologists and listen to what they tell me about DNA issues and Native Americans. I don't see it as any threat to the Book of Mormon unless one truly believes that there should be no east Asian influence.

Not quite. It is a threat as long as you expect a recent non-Siberian signature to exist in this hemisphere which could represent a Book of Mormon migration. This is not a trivial expectation since Mr. Meldrum and Dr. David Stewart have been voiciferous contemporary proponents of that view, and have gathered a large number of TBM supporters.

[_Pokatator]

Good news, guys (and gals); DCP's appearance isn't until Thursday, Dec. 4. See here.

See you there?

Yep, I'll be there!

God: This is good. Go and return and report.

[_Dr. Shades]

Before I type up my overview of the evening's events, let me respond to Joey:

And third (perhaps) "I want to extend an olive branch to the chaple Peterson so he thinks about gracing our board again"!!

I'm sure he is well aware of the fact that I'd much rather him post here than not post here.

I will give you he may be an entertaining figure in Provo within a 1-2 mile radious of the BYU campus, or at some ward fireside with enough email intro from the other guy who has nothing to do in life (Hamblin), but why not give his bookstore speech in front of those who have the intellect to understand DNA or ask questions??

Perhaps he hasn't been invited?

Hope you go, ask him why he believes he is qualified. Ask him if he would present infront of a reputable academic institution. Ask him if Watson is available to respond to questions about the second (supposed) letter.

I prefer to have my questions match the venue. You know, "time and a place for everything" and all that.

Otherwise, tell him what a great guy he is and if he would consider coming back to this board!!!.

He's already back, so that's been solved.

[_Joey]

Well, mission accomplished I guess.

Peterson's return to this board, if he was ever really gone at all, was never in doubt as I have stated before. He is well on his way to his next 3000 posts. He is addicted to message boards as well as seeing his own name on them.

Peterson has every right to devote most of his time to message boards. And I am sure, for the few who spend a lot of time here, his presence is a catalyst.

But you really have to chuckle at the guy who announces his resignation from message boards about as often as coaches get fired from losing teams, only to show up shortly thereafter each time. You got to laugh at the same guy who decries the lack of substance and intellect on the same board he keeps returning to and where he is a significant poster. Let's face it, he will continue to let his hurt feelings be known in these venues and threaten to take his ball and go home as long as he beleives he is the main attraction to the particular board. After all, he NEEDS these venues for his ego. Teaching near eastern studies in Provo is, after all, not a real headline grabber for him.

There is no doubt that he and Hamblin enjoy the backslappin they give to each other in their campus offices from the posts they make on these boards. What else do they have in thier lives?? I am not aware of the stature of an "Olivewood Bookstore" speaking engagement. Perhaps it is something for Clark & Sorenson to shoot for on their scholarship works for the Book of Mormon historicity. But as I said, a shrinking pond in Provo is probably good thing for them.

But for a guy who likes to remind everyone on these boards about how busy and recognized he is, his life seems defined by thousands upon thousands of posts on message boards each year. Even on ones he declares have no intellectual substance. Kind of telling.

But fear not, you will not lose him from this board as it is a required source of nurishment for his ego.