Surprise! Saturn has a small moon hidden in it's ring

[_Imwashingmypirate]

Are they ever going to find any evidence, that the cureloms and cumoms ever existed in Ancient America?

Faith is not to have a perfect knowledge of things, whereforeif ye have faith ye hope for things which are not seen which are true. (Paraphrased)

Does it really matter? Are you increasing in spirituality by seeking for Earthly proof? Or are you seeking through the spirit of God and the spirit within yourself?

[_John Larsen]

Are they ever going to find any evidence, that the cureloms and cumoms ever existed in Ancient America?

Faith is not to have a perfect knowledge of things, whereforeif ye have faith ye hope for things which are not seen which are true. (Paraphrased)

Does it really matter? Are you increasing in spirituality by seeking for Earthly proof? Or are you seeking through the spirit of God and the spirit within yourself?

By your justification, all religions are equally valid. Do you really believe this?

[_Imwashingmypirate]

Each religion is valid to the person. Just like every person's viewpoint and reality are valid to themselves.

[_cinepro]

Each religion is valid to the person. Just like every person's viewpoint and reality are valid to themselves.

Wouldn't that be cool if that's what God had told Joseph Smith at the First Vision? What a different world it would be.

[_Imwashingmypirate]

Each religion is valid to the person. Just like every person's viewpoint and reality are valid to themselves.

Wouldn't that be cool if that's what God had told Joseph Smith at the First Vision? What a different world it would be.

I never said that every religion is perfect or has all of the keys. I just said that to each individual it is valid. we all see a different angle to each situation. Our realities are valid and thus if we believe or accept a certain faith then the reasons for that choice are valid and it is valid to that person. That doesn't mean that a persons faith is going to provide them eternal glory.

[_cinepro]

[T]o each individual it is valid. we all see a different angle to each situation. Our realities are valid and thus if we believe or accept a certain faith then the reasons for that choice are valid and it is valid to that person. That doesn't mean that a persons faith is going to provide them eternal glory.

Or if He has said even that.

[_Droopy]

Oops! Looks like science is still discovering things. It's not a closed book like anti-mormons would have you believe when they say there's no such thing as an ancient Israelite civilization in America. The same critics would have said there's no such thing as a small moon hidden in Saturn's ring. "Oops!" they must be saying now, smacking themselves in the forehead. "Doh!"

Anyone can see the trend here: it is only a matter of time until scientists find evidence that the entire Book of Mormon history (including elephants, horses, and legions of scimitar-wielding Nephites) took place in a limited area measuring a third of a mile wild. Yes evidence, but not "proof", since that would remove the need for faith and screw up the eventual B-grade salvation of millions who are currently protected by the plausible deniability of Book of Mormon historicity.

Now the discovery of a new moon in Saturn's rings provides yet further evidence that the Book of Mormon is a fraud and the Church is not true.

There are two places, and probably only two in our modern world, in which this kind of thinking can be taken seriously: the Democratic party and the anti-Mormon/exmo world.

Of course, there's no reason whatsoever to actually engage this post as it, like 99% of the postings made here since this forum's first day in the incubator, were never intended to be intellectually substantive.

Stir the pot, kick the ant hill. All in a day's work.

[_cinepro]

Now the discovery of a new moon in Saturn's rings provides yet further evidence that the Book of Mormon is a fraud and the Church is not true.

Evidence that the evidence used by some TBM's as evidence against the arguments used by some critics isn't true isn't evidence that the evidence used by some apologists to support their claims of Book of Mormon historicity aren't true.

Easy mistake to make.

[_Brackite]

Are they ever going to find any evidence, that the cureloms and cumoms ever existed in Ancient America?

Faith is not to have a perfect knowledge of things, whereforeif ye have faith ye hope for things which are not seen which are true. (Paraphrased)

Does it really matter? Are you increasing in spirituality by seeking for Earthly proof? Or are you seeking through the spirit of God and the spirit within yourself?

Hello,

The Passage is Alma Chapter 32, Verse 21. Here is Alma Chapter 32, Verse 21:

Alma 32

[21] And now as I said concerning faith -- faith is not to have a perfect knowledge of things; therefore if ye have faith ye hope for things which are not seen, which are true.

[Guest]

Evidence that the evidence used by some TBM's as evidence against the arguments used by some critics isn't true isn't evidence that the evidence used by some apologists to support their claims of Book of Mormon historicity aren't true.

Except that the discovery of a moon in Saturn's rings isn't evidence of the possibility that future discoveries in archeology (and what to disciplines could be more different than Archeology and astronomy?) might occur that are positive for the Book of Mormon.

Its nothing but an insinuation without any particularly strong logical link between the two phenomena based in preexisting assumptions and biases (Dude is already sure no such discoveries will ever occur, so the extrapolation, for him, needs no particular logical strength - just the appearance of it).

Of course, working backwards in this way, from the assumption that nothing of any import regarding the Book of Mormon will or can ever be found, to actually doing archaeological work turns shcolarly work on its head; working from theory and interpretation to discovery instead of from discovery to theory and interpretation.

This is what irrational polemicists with an agenda must do, however, to maintain a nice house on Hilton Head when they know that the very next storm may take the whole thing out to sea in little pieces.

The very next dig could begin casting serious doubt regarding the entire anti-Mormon edifice constructed around the Book of Mormon. Or, it could be the dig after that. Or, the one after that.

Or...