Why does God think so little of women?

[_DarkHelmet]

The church is organized by God, and is divinely inspired. The rule banning women from leadership positions could only come from God. Anyone who thinks the brethren made this rule without consulting god first does not understand how the church works. Could you imagine these guys in SLC going over God's head and making up rules like this. There is no way that would happen. This rule must have come down from the big guy himself.

[_Ray A]

I think Gaz's speech is a perfect parody of what tripe come gurgling out of the fiction-writing machines at the ministry of truth at 50 E. North Temple.

I have to agree. Gaz doesn't seem to realise that this sounds like canned tuna with a use by date of Nov. 1976. I think Gaz has good intentions, but he's about a bazillion light years away from understanding the causes of disaffection.

[_bcspace]

I think Gaz's speech is a perfect parody of what tripe come gurgling out of the fiction-writing machines at the ministry of truth at 50 E. North Temple.

What's wrong with it?

I also don't see "Mother" as any title on any church organization chart.

You also don't hear God's wife being profaned very much either.

[_Gadianton Plumber]

I just talked to the wife. Turns out women are PEOPLE! Not any smarter or more spiritually in tune than men! I was shocked.

Pedestals are for objects, not for people. Sex is biological, gender is cultural. A woman's place is where humans dwell, not just in the home.

[_bcspace]

I just talked to the wife. Turns out women are PEOPLE! Not any smarter or more spiritually in tune than men! I was shocked.

Pedestals are for objects, not for people. Sex is biological, gender is cultural. A woman's place is where humans dwell, not just in the home.

Sure.

[_Gadianton Plumber]

I just talked to the wife. Turns out women are PEOPLE! Not any smarter or more spiritually in tune than men! I was shocked.

Pedestals are for objects, not for people. Sex is biological, gender is cultural. A woman's place is where humans dwell, not just in the home.

Sure.

Well, THAT'S what is wrong with what Gaz said.

[_bcspace]

Well, THAT'S what is wrong with what Gaz said.

How so? How does anything you said in your last post conflict with LDS doctrine?

[_EAllusion]

This old post I wrote on another MB seems apt here:

Women usually aren't subordinated by cultures by telling them they are garbage and they deserve nothing but servile roles. Women are placed on a pedestal where they are praised for their limiting roles. They aren't told that women deserve nothing more than being a domestic mother. They are told motherhood, full of implications of domestic housewifery, is the most wonderful thing a woman can do, and we should all be envious that this is women's special role. The get something as wonderful as that, and poor men have to lead society, earn money, and lead the family. Men might be the head, but women are the neck! Feminity is understood in limiting ways and women are praised to the extent they embody those ideals. Oppressive standards work better if everyone, including women, is convinced that the ideal woman is passive, docile, and parochial. Subordinated women in more oppressive cultures end up recieving all sorts of implicit praise for being weak and passive from both men and women. Women who aren't like that by contrast take a little more cultural ire. They need protection. Men need to protect them. It's a fair exchange, right? It's a golden cage the pretty bird sleeps in.

[_quaker]

Be careful that you are not belittling the choices women make. There is significantly more agency involved in the choice to work as a full time mother now as compared to 30 years ago. Along with that the ideal housewife image is, or has been, shattered to a great extent as couples tend to be more equally yoked thanks mostly to the encouragement to seek partners with similar education levels.

Please avoid doing disservice to all the women who choose to be full time mothers, despite completing graduate degrees, or having a professional background, by telling them that the role they have chosen makes them subordinate or possibly equivalent with garbage. Many have been taught that women have the primary responsibility for raising children at Church. They've also had completely healthy dosages of encouragement to forgo having children in favour of pursuing careers. But yet they have chosen to be mothers and we all need to be aware when we are falsely implicating women of forced or blind obedience to men when that isn't the case.

I'm not accusing any of you of doing this intentionally. Just be careful lest that attitude does start to creep into your thoughts.

All that being said - that in North American society women are now effectively the choosers of their own roles, so if they choose something you might regard as subordinate and less important then you should not degrade them for it - the offices and responsibilities of the priesthood in the Church are not free for them to choose. I don't know what to say about that besides to talk to the local Relief Society members to find their opinions and understanding. Ask them if they think their talents are being wasted in the Church.

One thing I have noticed is that the best and most organized conferences, shows, meals and activities of large scales are directed and organized by the women. I think that men directing the Church is along the same lines as 19 year old missionaries conducting most of the proselyting - that it's pretty much a miracle the Church hasn't failed due to their general incompetence.

[_solomarineris]

Gazalem
Priesthood is a burden to be born by men. It trains us to be nuturing and less selfish, as the only way for priesthood to bless the lives of its bearers is in service to others. It is in this way Priesthood and Motherhood are a perfect partnership. As a priesthood bearer counsels with his divine partner on his struggles in sanctifying those he is appointed over, a mother counsels with her divine partner on her struggles in sanctifying their children.

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This is pure boloney Gaz, there's no equality in this deal at all!
I run business with my wife, but I don't give her any information, she doesn't even have our account numbers, I pay her a handsome salary but keep most of the information. this is what Priesthood does; Trust me, trust me.
Is this perfect partnership? Motherhood is way over-rated, half of this planet's population is or going to experience motherhood sometime, big deal, as I don't brag about being a good provider. You raise girls foremost teaching them not to be dependent of anybody. Get her college degree, now there's accomplishment. Popping 3+ kids is no accomplishment before getting a good career.