The Nehor wrote:Read the scriptures and the words of the living oracles. Then use the Holy Ghost to discern between doctrine and speculation.
'Living oracles' certainly have gotten it wrong like the rest of us.
Yes, note the Holy Ghost proviso at the end.
The Nehor wrote:Read the King Follett discourse and pray about it to learn whether or not the doctrine is correct and which portions of the mythos surrounding this idea are correct.
I guess I'd have more faith in your process if individuals (myself included) didn't come to as many different conclusions as individuals using it— some demonstrably false from my perspective. It seems that people find their own truth and that perhaps big "T" truth does not exist or is not attainable through this method. To me people "praying to learn whether a doctrine is correct or not" looks suspiciously similar to people justifying personal opinion with a self-confirming feelings.[/quote][/quote]
I condemn anyone who justifies their personal opinion with self-confirming feelings and suspect that many of them are doing just that and calling it something else. Not my problem though.
Abusus non tollit usus "The abuse does not abolish the use."
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
The Nehor wrote:Yes, note the Holy Ghost proviso at the end.
Experience shows me that invoking the Holy Ghost to justify disagreement with General Authorities (even if it is true) is the best way to find oneself labeled as an apostate (the real, scary kind!). If the Holy Ghost tells an active member an apostle is wrong about something, they should probably just keep it to themselves, for their own good.
The missing roll theory can go to hell. -- Paul Osborne
The evidence will never be compelling for either side of the argument in rational terms. -- John Clark
The Nehor wrote:Yes, note the Holy Ghost proviso at the end.
Experience shows me that invoking the Holy Ghost to justify disagreement with General Authorities (even if it is true) is the best way to find oneself labeled as an apostate (the real, scary kind!). If the Holy Ghost tells an active member an apostle is wrong about something, they should probably just keep it to themselves, for their own good.
No, they should probably keep it to themselves out of a sense of duty and obedience. Most people who learn such things also have enough faith to know that God can steady the ark when he wishes and does not need their help to do it. If he wanted them to correct it, he'd give them the keys to do so.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Gadianton Plumber wrote:Members have the unlimited right of discernment and revelation, right up until it contradicts their masters.
Funny, I've never let it stop there.
I'm assuming that by 'masters' you are snidely referring to the leadership of the Church. If you are referring to God then I would argue that contradiction would be impossible
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
I'm assuming that by 'masters' you are snidely referring to the leadership of the Church. If you are referring to God then I would argue that contradiction would be impossible
Yes, I am talking about the church. I could think of any number of revelations that would invite the ire of the masters. Wanna play?
The Nehor wrote:No, they should probably keep it to themselves out of a sense of duty and obedience. Most people who learn such things also have enough faith to know that God can steady the ark when he wishes and does not need their help to do it. If he wanted them to correct it, he'd give them the keys to do so.
No, they should keep it to themselves because it's personal, and not for anyone else. That's why it's called personal inspiration, or personal revelation.
Duh.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
Gadianton Plumber wrote:So do members have the keys to discern the Book of Mormon?
The keys? No. The abilities and gifts. Yes. They're available. After that it takes time, thought, and study.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Gadianton Plumber wrote:Yes, I am talking about the church. I could think of any number of revelations that would invite the ire of the masters. Wanna play?
Sure, throw one out there.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo