Hinckley Testifies of Mormons Worshiping J Smith

[_Darth J]

At least he didn't say, "Joseph Christ."

[_Simon Belmont]

To assert polygamy is not doctrine in the LDS church is dishonest and deceptive.

No, it is not. It is not currently doctrine. I did not assert that it was never doctrine, but it is not doctrine now.

The following is an official statement regarding polygamy from President Gordon B. Hinckley, 15th president and prophet of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

"I wish to state categorically that this Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy. They are not members of this Church. Most of them have never been members. They are in violation of the civil law. They know they are in violation of the law. They are subject to its penalties. The Church, of course, has no jurisdiction whatever in this matter.

"If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church. An article of our faith is binding upon us. It states,

'We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.' One cannot obey the law and disobey the law at the same time.

"There is no such thing as a 'Mormon Fundamentalist.' It is a contradiction to use the two words together.

"More than a century ago God clearly revealed unto His prophet Wilford Woodruff that the practice of plural marriage should be discontinued, which means that it is now against the law of God. Even in countries where civil or religious law allows polygamy, the Church teaches that marriage must be monogamous and does not accept into its membership those practicing plural marriage."

[_Darth J]

To assert polygamy is not doctrine in the LDS church is dishonest and deceptive.

No, it is not. It is not currently doctrine. I did not assert that it was never doctrine, but it is not doctrine now.

The following is an official statement regarding polygamy from President Gordon B. Hinckley, 15th president and prophet of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

"I wish to state categorically that this Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy. They are not members of this Church. Most of them have never been members. They are in violation of the civil law. They know they are in violation of the law. They are subject to its penalties. The Church, of course, has no jurisdiction whatever in this matter.

"If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church. An article of our faith is binding upon us. It states,

'We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.' One cannot obey the law and disobey the law at the same time.

"There is no such thing as a 'Mormon Fundamentalist.' It is a contradiction to use the two words together.

"More than a century ago God clearly revealed unto His prophet Wilford Woodruff that the practice of plural marriage should be discontinued, which means that it is now against the law of God. Even in countries where civil or religious law allows polygamy, the Church teaches that marriage must be monogamous and does not accept into its membership those practicing plural marriage."

But this statement is itself duplicitous. There is indeed such a thing as Mormon fundamentalism:

http://www.fldstruth.org/

And The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not have a monopoly on claiming to be "Mormons."

In the United States, in 2002, the LDS Church applied for a trademark on "Mormon" as applied to religious services; however, the United States Patent and Trademark Office rejected the application, stating that the term "Mormon" was too generic, and is popularly understood as referring to a particular kind of church, similar to "Presbyterian" or "Methodist", rather than a service mark.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_Reserve

[_Simon Belmont]

We have a monopoly on being called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. That is all that matters.

[_Darth J]

We have a monopoly on being called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. That is all that matters.

Pop quiz, Simon:

Did President Hinckley say:

(a) There are no LDS fundamentalists

or

(b) There are no Mormon fundamentalists

[_schreech]

We have a monopoly on being called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. That is all that matters.

Really?...http://www.strangite.org/Name.htm - lol...

[_Simon Belmont]

We have a monopoly on being called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. That is all that matters.

Pop quiz, Simon:

Did President Hinckley say:

(a) There are no LDS fundamentalists

or

(b) There are no Mormon fundamentalists

President Hinckley believes that members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are the only true Mormons. So, it makes perfect sense that an official statement of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints referring to Mormons made by President Hinckley would be only referring to those true Mormons.

[_Simon Belmont]

We have a monopoly on being called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. That is all that matters.

Really?...http://www.strangite.org/Name.htm - lol...

You are even more ignorant than I imagined you before you made this stupid statement.

Let's see if you can tell the difference. I will spell the Strangite version in red, and our version in blue, okay? Hopefully this will make it simple enough for you to follow along.

Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Do you see the difference?

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Jeez, it is like I am surrounded by fools!

[_Darth J]

President Hinckley believes that members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are the only true Mormons. So, it makes perfect sense that an official statement of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints referring to Mormons made by President Hinckley would be only referring to those true Mormons.

President Hinckley could not possibly have been unaware of the larger Mormon movement, nor that all of the various sects claim to be "the real Mormons." His statement is nothing but PR spin to make it look like these polygamist clans in the news have no connection to the same foundational source as the LDS Church, and that is not true.

The LDS Church desperately wants to be included among "Christian" churches and whines that other denominations don't get to define what "Christian" is, but the Church also wants to define what "Mormonism" is such that the CoC, the Strangites, Bickeronites, FLDS, Nephite Church of Christ, etc., all of whom believe in Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon, aren't "Mormons."

[_schreech]

You are even more ignorant than I imagined you before you made this stupid statement.

Let's see if you can tell the difference. I will spell the Strangite version in red, and our version in blue, okay? Hopefully this will make it simple enough for you to follow along.

Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Do you see the difference?

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Jeez, it is like I am surrounded by fools!

so...you say "hyphen" when you tell people the name of your church to make there is no confusion?

You do realize that when strangites say the name of their church they say "i am part of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints" right?...So, no, you don't have a "monopoly" on being CALLED "the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints" - with or without the hyphen...god you are a tool...