Why does the church deny agency?

[_The Nehor]

Cute, the guy who has never been married is replying.

Ah, the stock 'poisoning the well' response when I join the thread. Are you under the delusion that this is somehow scoring some kind of rhetorical point?

[_EAllusion]

Wow, everything about this post is wrong. Pretty impressive.

Choices that are involuntary because they have been compelled by coercion are not free. When the range of choices you are capable of making is restricted, the scope of your free will has decreased.

I think this is relevant every time someone tries to defend an action or theological point that coerces or restricts choice by saying, "Well, free agency doesn't mean making choices free of consequences." But the free will defense as applied to the problem of evil, often employed by the very same people doing the above, requires there to be an overarching good that demands choices go unrestricted. That's because it is a justification for why God isn't coercing people into the "right" choices. These don't fit comfortably side by side.

[_just me]

I still don't understand why men are allowed to get sealed to 2+ women and none of those women are allowed to get their sealing cancelled. She is, in effect, being forced into eternal polygamy and an earthly polygamous sealing.

There are real women who are very upset by this. They are living it and it makes it hard for them to move on. I think it effects women who remain believers much more than women who stop believing. Part of getting closure can be feeling that all ties to the person have been severed.

Why is that right denied? Brigham Young sure didn't have any issues giving out divorces like candy. Why is it so hard for a woman to get a sealing cancellation today?

What the hell is the point of saying that we are "free to choose" when we really aren't? If the truth is that we "give up our agency" when we join the church then maybe we shouldn't be baptizing little children. Maybe we should be sure people are told that and understand that before they go to the temple at such young ages.

So, since the church doesn't believe that agency is part of the Plan O' Salvation then maybe they should stop giving it lip service.

NEHOR, if a women will not be stuck with an abusive spouse in eternity why must she be refused in this life? Why does God allow a woman more choice than the modern church?

[Guest]

sorry, duplicate post. not even nehore deserves that most of the time.

[_Joseph]

Nehi writes: Because there is no such thing as a 'temple divorce'. If you mean cancellation of sealing it is because she made covenants that she can't sever on a whim. With a legal divorce some of the covenants become invalid. The rest stay in force.

Deal with it. I can assure you if you are worried that no one will be stuck with an abusive spouse for eternity.
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First hiding behind terminology. You learn well from your l-dsinc lawyer masters.
Second, I doubt many who go through the requirements to be sealed/married in The Temple do so 'on a whim' and don't end them that way either. Maybe among your friends?

Stuck with an abusive spouse for eternity? All most who find them surprised or blindsided like this(even if they did not recognize or ignored the signs or hoped things would/could change) are eternally comforted by YOUR assurance.

Kneehore, you are truly a tick crawling quietly along the butt of Mormonism.

[_LDSToronto]

Our agency is supposed to be about the most important part of the Plan O' Salvation.

However, every year women are denied the right to CHOOSE if they want to be eternally sealed to their ex-husband or not.
In fact, these women are being forced to live in polygamous sealings during their earth life.

Why is their choice being denied by the LDS church?

Just Me, women can choose to cancel a sealing - it happens all the time when a divorce occurs. I'm unaware of many women who choose to remain sealed after divorce.

Unless you mean something different?

H.

[_zeezrom]

Question: if the woman resigns from the church, is her sealing cancelled? How could a man be sealed to a non-member?

She could get re-baptized after the sealings get cancelled upon resignation. After re-baptism, she could get sealed to the guy she wants... Would that work?

[_LDSToronto]

Question: if the woman resigns from the church, is her sealing cancelled? How could a man be sealed to a non-member?

She could get re-baptized after the sealings get cancelled upon resignation. After re-baptism, she could get sealed to the guy she wants... Would that work?

Yes, resignation cancels sealings, but in a different way...

If she rejoined, it's not so simple. A re-admission means you have your blessings restored. You don't get re-endowed, re-sealed, etc. You simply get a 'restoration of blessings' blessing and that restores everything back to the way it was.

H.

[_just me]

Just Me, women can choose to cancel a sealing - it happens all the time when a divorce occurs. I'm unaware of many women who choose to remain sealed after divorce.

Unless you mean something different?

H.

Getting a legal divorce does not officially cancel the sealing. Women have their request for sealing cancellation denied all the time. There are women I know personally and online who have been denied sealing cancellation. The church typically does not approve of a sealing cancellation for a woman unless she has a temple ready man waiting in the wings.
Men are allowed to get sealed over and over again without cancelling the previous sealing. This means there are cases where 3 or 4 living women are sealed to a living man.

It is insulting that a woman cannot have her sealing cancelled unless she has a temple ready man waiting to marry her.

[_zeezrom]

Yes, resignation cancels sealings, but in a different way...

If she rejoined, it's not so simple. A re-admission means you have your blessings restored. You don't get re-endowed, re-sealed, etc. You simply get a 'restoration of blessings' blessing and that restores everything back to the way it was.

H.

ah crap, they sure make it hard for her to get the man she wants!

Ok, she will have to settle for RLDS then. Go for the gold in celestial relationships and the silver in religions I guess.