The pain threshold of Jesus

[_krose]

I would like to see an illustration of Jesus bleeding from every pore.

A guy covered entirely in blood (given that there are about three trillion pores on the human body) would be an amazing spectacle, worse than Stephen King's Carrie. I imagine the sight of a Jesus-shaped, bright red, blood-covered monster would have been pretty frightening to the bystanders.

[_Jersey Girl]

Scripture ref, please.

No problem, Jersey Girl! :)

D&C 19:18

Thanks, zee. That's a misinterpretation of the KJV scripture. Whoever expounded on the KJV, got it wrong.

[_zeezrom]

By the way, I think that Mormons get into all kinds of trouble in interpreting the New Testament because they play so fast and loose with Christology.

Aristotle,

Do you believe the Mormon church would benefit from hiring paid clergy who are studied in Christianity (say PhD or MA as a minimum)? Otherwise, maybe even the leaders are loose cannons.

[_Jersey Girl]

zee,

Let me ask you something and I want you to be completely honest and forthcoming. Please know that your answer won't bother me either way.

When you approached me in "missionary mode", did I present Biblical scripture to you in a way that:

You had never considered before

or

You didn't realize were present in the Bible

?

[_Jersey Girl]

Really, if you're going to be critical of someone's beliefs, at least know what they believe.

The Bible tells us that Jesus is FULLY God and FULLY man. Neither one less at the expense of the other. If he were NOT FULLY God, then His sacrifice would be insufficient - as man is His highest creation.

Now, you may choose to disbelieve the Bible, and that's fine. But that's what Christians believe.

Chapter and verse, please.

According to Biblical scripture, Jesus was born of a human female. He also declared his divinity.

[_zeezrom]

Thanks, zee. That's a misinterpretation of the KJV scripture. Whoever expounded on the KJV, got it wrong.

Wait, don't leave yet, Jersey Girl!

Here are some more:

Mosiah 3:7

President John Taylor (1808–87): He had struggled against the powers of darkness that had been let loose upon him there; placed below all things, His mind surcharged with agony and pain, lonely and apparently helpless and forsaken, in his agony the blood oozed from His pores” (The Mediation and Atonement [1882], 150).

Ensign, SHARON PRICE ANDERSON

James E. Talmage, Jesus the Christ: "It was not physical pain, nor mental anguish alone, that caused Him to suffer such torture as to produce an extrusion of blood from every pore; but a spiritual agony of soul such as only God was capable of experiencing."

[_zeezrom]

zee,

Let me ask you something and I want you to be completely honest and forthcoming. Please know that your answer won't bother me either way.

When you approached me in "missionary mode", did I present Biblical scripture to you in a way that:

You had never considered before

or

You didn't realize were present in the Bible

?

more likely the first option.

I would need to revisit that thread to be sure, though.

[_Jersey Girl]

Thanks, zee. That's a misinterpretation of the KJV scripture. Whoever expounded on the KJV, got it wrong.

Wait, don't leave yet, Jersey Girl!

Here are some more:

Mosiah 3:7

President John Taylor (1808–87): He had struggled against the powers of darkness that had been let loose upon him there; placed below all things, His mind surcharged with agony and pain, lonely and apparently helpless and forsaken, in his agony the blood oozed from His pores” (The Mediation and Atonement [1882], 150).

Ensign, SHARON PRICE ANDERSON

James E. Talmage, Jesus the Christ: "It was not physical pain, nor mental anguish alone, that caused Him to suffer such torture as to produce an extrusion of blood from every pore; but a spiritual agony of soul such as only God was capable of experiencing."

Put your TBM hat back on and respond to my criticism.

The above is built on a misinterpretation of Biblical scripture. The Bible/KJV clearly describes sweat dropping "like blood".

Why do you think Christ was actually bleeding?

(If I don't get back to you right away, I will try to get back here later. )

[_Buffalo]

According to Biblical scripture, Jesus was born of a human female. He also declared his divinity.

Which has what to do with being fully god and fully man?

[_Buffalo]

Put your TBM hat back on and respond to my criticism.

The above is built on a misinterpretation of Biblical scripture. The Bible/KJV clearly describes sweat dropping "like blood".

Why do you think Christ was actually bleeding?

I understand that that passage isn't even present in the oldest copies of Luke.