Why does Monson hate the phrase "all you need is love"?

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Re: Why does Monson hate the phrase "all you need is love"?

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Joseph Antley wrote:I do not think that President Monson hates the Beatles, nor do I think that any Latter-day Saint interpreted his statement as condemnation of the Beatles' music or that he intended it to be interpreted that way.


Oh, he just considers the political and religious opinions expressed in the lyrics of their best-known songs eye-rollingly ludicrous, even though he does not hate them and thinks the instrumental part of their music is OK?

So that's all right, then. Nobody of the 60s generation will be offended by this.
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just me wrote:Why does Monson hate the saying? It doesn't inspire fear. That's all I can think of. It doesn't inspire strict obedience to the patriarchy.


Because 'all you need is love', and to pay tithing, and to wear funny under-roos, and to give free labour to the church while your family goes out and does fun stuff, and get married in the temple where your gay brother can't watch, and......

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bcspace wrote:
I agree. It goes back to the faith without works mantra of Mormonism. Love and/or faith are only good if they get you to pray, pay and obey. Neither one is as good as fear or guilt.


Actually, I think Monson was thinking more along the lines of Matthew 25:32-46.


Oh yeah:

Matthew 25:32-46

King James Version (KJV)

32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


So according to this quotation, you don't need to be baptized, you don't need to believe in any deity, you certainly don't need special handshakes or passwords to get into heaven.

All you need it to treat people kindly when they need it ... like, all you need is love? Great quote, bcspace.
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So according to this quotation, you don't need to be baptized, you don't need to believe in any deity, you certainly don't need special handshakes or passwords to get into heaven.


Nope. The above verse set is just one of many requirements, many of which are mentioned in the Bible. Baptism and marriage for example.
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bcspace wrote:
So according to this quotation, you don't need to be baptized, you don't need to believe in any deity, you certainly don't need special handshakes or passwords to get into heaven.


Nope. The above verse set is just one of many requirements, many of which are mentioned in the Bible. Baptism and marriage for example.


See bolding. You are the one who chose this quotation in the context of this thread.

Still, why should I demand that you should make sense?
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DarkHelmet wrote:During a conference talk Monson was talking about what other people in the world outside of Mormonism believed. While criticizing their beliefs he said "All you need is love" in a mocking voice and then rolled his eyes which generated laughter from the congregation.


Monson could pick his nose and eat it, giggle and cause the whole congregation to laugh. That is what devoted people do for their fearless leader. He can do no wrong in their eyes.

No, Monson needs people who are dependent on Mormonism. If all people needed was love, they wouldn't need him, nor his secret handshakes, nor his secret underwear, nor would they need to pay him 10%. And without that, how would he build multi-billion dollar malls? Buy huge tracts of land? Build million dollar condos? Buy massive cattle ranches? Buy expensive works of art? How would a huge group of geriatric old men have 100% health care, pensions, credit cards, food, transportation and lodging?

How would a portly professor of Islamic Studies and Arabic in the Department of Asian and Near Eastern Languages at Brigham Young University be able to spend all day posting on Internet forums, blogs and news media if money wasn't indirectly placed in his bank account after it was washed through the incoming tithes of the members?

Not with only love.

No, Monson can't allow that.
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Joseph Smith:
The inquiry is frequently made of me, "Wherein do you differ from others in your religious views?" In reality and essence we do not differ so far in our religious views, but that we could all drink into one principle of love. One of the grand fundamental principles of 'Mormonism" is to receive truth, let it come from whence it may. (History of the Church 5:499)-

I think Joseph said it before the Beatles, sort of.
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Does someone have a link to this talk? Or the name of it or something?
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As a huge Beatles fan, I did a double take when Monson mocked them.

But to be clear, he was quoting a rabbi from the Wall Street Journal (with proper attribution!):

Also evolving at a rapid rate has been the moral compass of society. Behaviors which once were considered inappropriate and immoral are now not only tolerated but also viewed by ever so many as acceptable.

I recently read in the Wall Street Journal an article by Jonathan Sacks, Britain’s chief rabbi. Among other things, he writes: “In virtually every Western society in the 1960s there was a moral revolution, an abandonment of its entire traditional ethic of self-restraint. All you need, sang the Beatles, is love. The Judeo-Christian moral code was jettisoned. In its place came [the adage]: [Do] whatever works for you. The Ten Commandments were rewritten as the Ten Creative Suggestions.”

Rabbi Sacks goes on to lament:

“We have been spending our moral capital with the same reckless abandon that we have been spending our financial capital. …

“There are large parts of [the world] where religion is a thing of the past and there is no counter-voice to the culture of buy it, spend it, wear it, flaunt it, because you’re worth it. The message is that morality is passé, conscience is for wimps, and the single overriding command is ‘Thou shalt not be found out.’”1


Here's the entire talk:

Stand In Holy Places

If I were quoting the article, I probably would have left out the part about the Beatles.
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Thank you cinepro! I <3 you!
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