Believers: why was your God so late on the scene?

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Re: Believers: why was your God so late on the scene?

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bcspace wrote:
BCs response. Nobody pre Adam was a spirit child of God. Strange that they somehow still figured out how to worship something or another.


Never said they weren't intelligent. But you have to also ask yourself why did it take a quarter of a million years or more for homo sapiens to develop civilization?


It would take just as long if we all started over from scratch with our current learning erased. There are a lot of steps that precede developing civilization, not the least of which is agriculture.
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bcspace wrote:
BCs response. Nobody pre Adam was a spirit child of God. Strange that they somehow still figured out how to worship something or another.


Never said they weren't intelligent. But you have to also ask yourself why did it take a quarter of a million years or more for homo sapiens to develop civilization?


I don't know the answer too well. I think writting was invented about 11,000 years ago and that's when things really started to get the ball rolling. Also farming happened around this time and many humans did not have to focus on hunting and gathering. Since they could now feed mass populations with farming then other humans could start inventing more things. Religion could now be recorded in writing as well around this time.

I'm pretty sure this is what I learned from the book Guns Germs and Steel. Lots of evidence to back this up as well.
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Mattie wrote:
Buffalo wrote:I'm looking for the faith-promoting spin on this. Homo sapiens have been around for several hundred thousand years. Religion seems to have evolved gradually, with animal, fertility, and fire gods coming at the forefront perhaps 50,000 years ago. Questions and fear of death seems to have brought about ideas of afterlives and in some cases ancestor worship. Eventually you get these sort of interesting pantheons of gods, usually with a central powerful god and many tribal gods, or many assorted gods responsible for things like ushering souls into hades or pulling the sun across the sky. The stories get more creative over time.

Out of a few of these groups of tribal deities, we get the story of El and the story of Yahweh, who don't look any different from their competitors at the time they were first worshiped, although concepts of this being/these beings have changed radically over time.

That's the short history of religion among the homo sapiens. What's the faith promoting spin on that? Three questions here, really:

1) Assuming you don't worship the bear god or the fertility goddess and you come from a Judeo-Christian tradition, why was your God so late on the scene (roughly 4,000 years ago)?
2) Why did your God so closely resemble what believers would now call the many other competing "pagan gods" at the time your god was first worshiped and written about?
3) Why has the understanding of the attributes/personality of your God is changed so radically from first inception to present?

How do you know what or how people worshiped 50,000 years ago?


We've found their gods.
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Why does it say "you cannot embed more than two quotes" when I try to submit my post?
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Mattie wrote:Why does it say "you cannot embed more than two quotes" when I try to submit my post?


because you can't embed more than two quotes?
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Buffalo wrote:We've found their gods.

What do you mean? Whose gods? Everyone's gods? From everywhere?
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MrStakhanovite wrote:
Mattie wrote:Why does it say "you cannot embed more than two quotes" when I try to submit my post?


because you can't embed more than two quotes?

I figured it out. Thanks.
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MrStakhanovite wrote:
Mattie wrote:Why does it say "you cannot embed more than two quotes" when I try to submit my post?


because you can't embed more than two quotes?


LMAO

(Mattie-You'll have to delete one or more of the quotes from your comment for it to submit)
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BCs response. Nobody pre Adam was a spirit child of God. Strange that they somehow still figured out how to worship something or another.


bcspace wrote:Never said they weren't intelligent. But you have to also ask yourself why did it take a quarter of a million years or more for homo sapiens to develop civilization?


Clearly the evolution of home sapiens did not include immediate knowledge of language and skills needed to build a civilization. Knowledge progresses slowly and was built sort of like that line upon line thing Mormons love to quote. It was like a snowball. Keep in mind there was civilization and even religion in the historic timeline before and Adam or Eve. Something like 11,000 years ago or so.

And if your theory is civilization started at the same time God placed a spirit child inside a homo sapiens then why did it take so many thousands of years for them to progress to modern technology. Based on your theory humans should have had cars, trains, planes and i phones thousands of years ago.
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Mattie wrote:
Buffalo wrote:We've found their gods.

What do you mean? Whose gods? Everyone's gods? From everywhere?


Here's a quick primer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_religion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_religion
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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