Would this man be welcomed into a typical LDS ward?

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Re: Would this man be welcomed into a typical LDS ward?

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hugh jass wrote:BYU-TV

B Y U Television

?? Of course all of their shows are produced by LDS Inc.


Is this fact or opinion?

It appears to me that BYU-TV has become (or is in the process of becoming) a regular public tv channel, imitating format and programming, and (I would assume) sharing programming. Or maybe I've under an incorrect impression. I try not to assume that I'm always unilaterally and absolutely correct in my hasty assumptions.

Anyway, I've been looking around and discovered that Stan Ellsworth is a "Utah actor," but whether he is LDS or active LDS is yet to be known.

EDITED to add: If BYU-TV isn't affiliated with PBS, it is certainly trying to look like it is. I suspect there is more to the story here.
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Lucretia MacEvil wrote: If it was produced by the church, I'll be forced to give it credit for doing that :) I saw a preview for this American Rides show and assumed it was not produced by the church. I'll be interested to know, and to know if this gentleman is indeed a Mormon, and I'd have to admit it would surprise me if he were, and surprise me more if he's a member featured on BYU TV.

According to LDSFilm.com, he is a Mormon.
Stan Ellsworth
Utah-based actor. Also known as: Stann Ellsworth. Bit part as a coach in the Disney TV movie "The Luck of the Irish" (2001). Uncredited guest appearance in an episode of "Touched by an Angel" in 2001, entitled "A Death in the Family."


My gut feeling as a former Mormon tells me he is probably not an active Mormon, given his appearance and demeanor.
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We had a guy who looked similiar to this gentleman in my ward, except he wore his hair in a ponytail.

He was a mechanic.

I wonder if this gentleman wears a white shirt and tie to church, like my mechanic ward member?
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Lucretia MacEvil wrote:It appears to me that BYU-TV has become (or is in the process of becoming) a regular public tv channel, imitating format and programming, and (I would assume) sharing programming. Or maybe I've under an incorrect impression. I try not to assume that I'm always unilaterally and absolutely correct in my hasty assumptions.

I am sure BYUTV is associated with the so called LDS missionary program(recruitment and retention department) of LDS Inc.
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harmony wrote:We had a guy who looked similiar to this gentleman in my ward, except he wore his hair in a ponytail.

He was a mechanic.

I wonder if this gentleman wears a white shirt and tie to church, like my mechanic ward member?


My BIL has been in a mid-life crisis long enough to grow a nice long ponytail. He's a biker dude too. I've wondered how he is received in church, but since I never go myself I guess I'll never know. He is as TBM as can be but has never been given a position of leadership of any consequence.
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hugh jass wrote:
Lucretia MacEvil wrote:It appears to me that BYU-TV has become (or is in the process of becoming) a regular public tv channel, imitating format and programming, and (I would assume) sharing programming. Or maybe I've under an incorrect impression. I try not to assume that I'm always unilaterally and absolutely correct in my hasty assumptions.

I am sure BYUTV is associated with the so called LDS missionary program(recruitment and retention department) of LDS Inc.


I'm sure you are right about that, but couldn't they be associated with PBS as well? If not, why are they copying PBS format?
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I listened to a bit of American Rides. Sounds good from historical perspective. Ellsworth was expounding on Thomas Paine's "Age of Reason" and how thoroughly it was ingrained in the average American's consciousness. Not exactly what the church would have you know when it comes to suggestions that many seemingly 19th Century ideas in the Book of Mormon came from that very book. Ha!
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Lucretia MacEvil wrote:
hugh jass wrote:I am sure BYUTV is associated with the so called LDS missionary program(recruitment and retention department) of LDS Inc.


I'm sure you are right about that, but couldn't they be associated with PBS as well? If not, why are they copying PBS format?

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Stan was in church last Sunday---I saw him there (we're in the same ward ... again ... which hasn't happened for about 30 years), dressed in a white shirt and tie (he sees clothes simply as the outward sign of inward feeling, and he his devout in his religious obligations, although his not overfond of formal wear, especially ties). Stan is an active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints---a Mormon, that is. (And he's a lot like I imagine the General was---Mormon, that is.) He is as you have seen him: a big man who loves his country and his freedom, and knows more about both than anyone else I know. And be careful: you may know people who condemn by appearance, but the Master does not: "Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgement" (John 7:24). I don't know who led you to the hasty generalization that the Church rejects people for looking like Stan (Elijah, John the Baptist, Samson, Porter Rockwell ... folks like that)---such need to indulge in some serious introspection and repentance (I prefer the Greek metanoeo "change of mind" or the Hebrew shube "turn" or nacham "regret" to the harshness of the Latinate repent "[to subject to] harsh punishment"---of course, it doesn't mean that anymore: etymology is not definition ... but still). In any case, I do not, I dare not, judge anybody. And judging a man like Stan---or his devotion to his Liegelord, Jesus the Christ---based on his beard and demeanor is likely to be both inaccurate and embarrassing. He will likely not be offended: he's been misjudged hastily before, and he has very kindly corrected those who have misjudged him. As for American Ride, it is a direct outpouring of Stan-ness. He will teach anyone who will listen the intricacies of history, and his enthusiasm is pleasantly contagious. He will pull no punches, however, in his certain knowledge of Whose power it is "that has made and preserved us a nation."

Of course, he has been called a rebel: He always ate all the mashed potatoes, defeated the computer at the Annapolis Naval Academy in war games, taught me everything I know about World War II, and most of what I know about World War I, the Civil War, and the Revolution. He used to do calisthenics during commercial breaks, and practiced his sharpshooting down in the basement during halftimes. I watched him practice his blade work by tossing apples into the air and then cutting them in half as they fell. He taught me how to fire a shotgun, how to follow a football game (and baseball, and wrestling, and basketball), and how to serve a Mission. He speaks fluent French, is as strong as an ox, loves teaching history, loves his family fiercely, and has studied military strategy since he was about seven. He's as Mormon as Mormon was himself, probably, and I'd follow either of them into battle anytime, anywhere.

But that's what we little brothers do.
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He'd be welcome in our ward but we wouldn't let him pass the Sacrament with hair and beard like that.

'We' = Ward Leadership.

Personally I don't give a monkey's either way.
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