bcspace wrote:Yes. But it's not all roses and sunshine as you portray. It doesn't work and the reason it doesn't is because it becomes more and more expensive every year in spectacular fashion. I suppose even a black hole like that could "work" if you throw enough wealth at it. Note also that private insurance has become legal again in the UK and it's becoming more popular. And they also have rotating postal codes now in which people living in selected codes go without certain benefits for a period of time.
OK, bc, what's your solution. Millions of people have no health care in this country. They're only solution is to turn up at emergency care facilities long after their condition is beyond a cure (cancer?).
How would you address this? Let them die? What system would you propose that would allow the poor preventative medical care? Or do you believe that those without healthcare should hurry up and die and reduce the surplus population? (A Christmas Carol).
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So because a doctor was more interested in making more profit than he was actually helping my suffering, I burned $100 in co-pay + prescription and God only know how much he charged by insurance company for the visit. It is s*** like this that causes health care costs to skyrocket. That's how capitalism works.
I wouldn't call having a supply of doctors determined by the American Medical Association capitalism or even basic caveat emptor. We forfeited a lot of our rights as consumers of medical care when we decided these regulating boards were more fit to decide who could practice medicine than the consumer. Perhaps they are, but I wouldn't call the current medical system in the U.S. free market by a long shot.
Secondly Kevin, you have enough life experience to know that doctors can't do much often times. People still go because they are desperate. That doesn't mean it's not more or less a shot in the dark.
If you want cheaper medical care, under a truly free market system you could elect to choose the care of a less highly trained professional who didn't have to invest as much in educational expenses to have the right to accept you as a patient, nor as much in equipment to find a more correct diagnosis. That would be a free market situation.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
Brackite wrote:The main difference between 'Romneycare' and 'Obamacare' is that 'Romneycare' was done on a State level while 'Obamacare' was done on a Federal level. I believe that the individual mandate in Obamacare on a Federal level is Unconstitutional, and I believe that the Supreme Court will strike down the individual mandate in the 'Obamacare' law. Here is the Tenth Amendment to the Bill of Rights, From the United States Constitution:
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
Then so are Social Security and Medicare. Participation in both is mandated. Anyone who receives wages is required to buy old-age medical insurance and retirement.
I assume you want to see these programs abolished as well. You better believe all those retired tea-baggers who are already getting both would scream bloody murder, even louder than they've been complaining about "socialism" and the "Kenyan Muslim's" birth certificate.
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I assume you want to see these programs abolished as well. You better believe all those retired tea-baggers who are already getting both would scream bloody murder, even louder than they've been complaining about "socialism" and the "Kenyan Muslim's" birth certificate.
I've always wanted to see those programs abolished. If I had any say, I would have never agreed to them in the first place. The old age tea baggers are screaming bloody murder because it's not fair. It doesn't matter. They need to understand that they have been screwed by a socialist government and that this is what happens when you vote for socialist programs. And they will learn, like it or not, that the government proved much worse at saving money for their retirement than they would have done on their own because the money they paid has all been stolen and is no longer there. Yes they paid it, but it was stolen. Now they're going to try to tax the younger generation even harder to try to make up for it. Right now, they can beat us politically every time so they'll surely get their way temporarilly but eventually we'll outnumber the old bastards so they won't be able to bilk us forever.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
I assume you want to see these programs abolished as well. You better believe all those retired tea-baggers who are already getting both would scream bloody murder, even louder than they've been complaining about "socialism" and the "Kenyan Muslim's" birth certificate.
I've always wanted to see those programs abolished. If I had any say, I would have never agreed to them in the first place. The old age tea baggers are screaming bloody murder because it's not fair. It doesn't matter. They need to understand that they have been screwed by a socialist government and that this is what happens when you vote for socialist programs. And they will learn, like it or not, that the government proved much worse at saving money for their retirement than they would have done on their own because the money they paid has all been stolen and is no longer there. Yes they paid it, but it was stolen. Now they're going to try to tax the younger generation even harder to try to make up for it. Right now, they can beat us politically every time so they'll surely get their way temporarilly but eventually we'll outnumber the old bastards so they won't be able to bilk us forever.
Well, sorry to say you are in the minority, and I mean a very tiny minority. These programs are very popular. And it might be a good idea to resign yourself to the fact that the US population is growing older, not younger, so they are here to stay.
I do understand this libertarian point of view, as I once leaned that way myself, back in my youthful (and staunch LDS) college days. But I now see the safety net as a necessity for a civilized society, if nothing more than to keep our grandparents from eating cat food and dying from medical neglect.
If you can point to a society where the Ron Paul libertarian vision has been successfully implemented, that would be helpful. Social democracies have their shortcomings, but I have yet to see anything that works better.
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krose wrote:Well, sorry to say you are in the minority, and I mean a very tiny minority. These programs are very popular. And it might be a good idea to resign yourself to the fact that the US population is growing older, not younger, so they are here to stay.
I do understand this libertarian point of view, as I once leaned that way myself, back in my youthful (and staunch LDS) college days. But I now see the safety net as a necessity for a civilized society, if nothing more than to keep our grandparents from eating cat food and dying from medical neglect.
If you can point to a society where the Ron Paul libertarian vision has been successfully implemented, that would be helpful. Social democracies have their shortcomings, but I have yet to see anything that works better.
The National Health Service in the UK is not perfection. But the population here would vote unanimously for keeping it.
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Drifting wrote:The National Health Service in the UK is not perfection. But the population here would vote unanimously for keeping it.
Exactly.
And so would a huge majority of Canadians, Germans, Japanese, French, Swiss, etc.
And even though we have only made small progress here with the recent law, I really doubt, when it comes down to it, that Americans will favor getting rid of options such as portability, coverage for our adult children, and not getting canceled when we get sick.
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Drifting wrote:The National Health Service in the UK is not perfection. But the population here would vote unanimously for keeping it.
Same with Canada and any country that has a National Health System. I've worked in the health care system in the U.S. for most of my life. From my own observations (and others in that industry), it's very inadequate at helping those that most need it.
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And even though we have only made small progress here with the recent law, I really doubt, when it comes down to it, that Americans will favor getting rid of options such as portability, coverage for our adult children, and not getting canceled when we get sick.
If it's socialized medicine, you'll have to be a single mother with children to qualify for anything. I went without healthcare when I needed it for sometime because I was too ignorant about health insurance to know what I was getting into by leaving college and serving the mission. At least I had a hope of someday getting a good enough job that would afford me the healthcare I needed. Obamacare will take that hope away as well, because no matter how high I manage to climb in my field, I'll never be eligible because he and the leftist court do not have any sympathy for my demographic and that is what will determine who gets the healthcare they need and who does not. You'll have to be friends with whoever works in the welfare office to get anything, similar to how medicaid is run now.
Japan is a nation of people who belong to the same race, similar religion, and culture. I could see socialism working better in such a setting.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
ajax18 wrote:Japan is a nation of people who belong to the same race, similar religion, and culture. I could see socialism working better in such a setting.
????? You think you will not be cared for in this country because you were a missionary? White and delightsome people will not count?
England is a racially diverse country and the health care system works for everyone. Canada the same. You're talking horse biscuits.
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