When I was a Young Mormon I was told the following.....

[_Daheshist]

Fifty pounds over weight and above I would consider "fat".

The woman I dated for two and one half years....

1. She was not attractive in any way. I was the only man who ever asked her out except for a black NBA player who tried to seduce her once in his motel room when she worked as a motel clerk (yes...I know...she should have married the guy....but he just was looking for a quick booty-call I'm sure)

2. I did not particularly like hanging around her.

3. Our commonalities were that we were both returned missionaries. I spent about two hours a week with her, for two and one-half years. We'd go to dinner, sometimes the movies. Sometimes we'd watch a movie at her house. A few times we'd play tennis, or go hiking, but she got fatter and fatter.

4. She was not intellectual, so talking to her was not interesting. We'd just watch movies together mostly.

She was quite upset when I finally told her I was moving on. She supposed that we were going to get married, although I never told her that. She assumed it. No other man was interested in her. She was so upset she threatened to kill me (she apologized for that later). She felt abandoned. But, I could not marry a woman I was not in love with, and who physically repulsed me. What's the point of marriage then? Anyway, she became an elementary school teacher, and hopefully she got married to some guy and had a kid or two. But....I was never happy with her, never attracted to her. I went out with her for years TRYING to fall in love with her, but it never worked. I learned....if you are not physically/emotionally attracted to a woman, move on!!!

Did I say fat women were all "ugly"? I did not. I said, that I was not capable of falling in love with a fat woman. And I tried. I dated one for 2 and 1/2 years. I dated others. I danced with probably 300 over the years. I treated them well, always. The other LDS men I knew either treated them like NON-beings, or made fun of them.

Darrick, I am genuinely curious. What do you consider fat? Could you consider a woman attractive who is well-groomed, but slightly overweight?

And what does it mean that you "tried" to fall in love with a woman you dated for 2 1/2 years? Was the only thing you didn't like about her the fact that she was far? Did you have common interests? Was she fun to hang out with? To talk to?

[_Brackite]

7. Mormon women are pure, and would never even think about disobeying a commandment of God, unless forced to by some unworthy male, and they marry non-mormons only because they can't find a worthy Mormon to marry. They are not concerned at all about material things, like Worldly women, but care only about finding a worthy priesthood holder who honors his priesthood and can take them to the temple.

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23. If Mormon women don't want to date you, Darrick, much less marry you, it means you're not worthy, because they will only date worthy men, and all of them have the Spirit of Discernment; meaning they can tell if you are worthy or not, so you must not be living the Gospel!

This is close to being LDS Doctrine, but it is not quite.

This is the LDS Doctrine on this matter:

Plural marriage is an eternal principle. It is founded on the notion that there will be far fewer men who will accept the atoning sacrifice than women. It has to do, somehow, with the struggle in the Garden of Eden, the choice Eve made, and the promise that she would be saved in childbearing. I don't get it all, but the fact that women are more spiritual and willing to accept the spirit is a fact.

Link: http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/vie ... 20#p237220



Some LDS Apologists will always refer to Polygyny as Plural Marriage.
These LDS Apologists will never refer to the 19th Century Practice of LDS Plural Marriages as Polygyny.
However, Polygyny and Plural Marriage mean exactly the same thing.
And, The Book of Mormon Condemns the Practice of Polygyny.

[_Daheshist]

Dear Fool,

You state that Mormon women rejected me because I had an "anti-women" attitude.

Wrong...as usual. When I was a Mormon I did NOT have my present attitude. I believed what I was told, that all Mormon women were honest, moral, perpetual virgins, incapable of sin unless forced to by an evil male, etc. I had ABSOLUTE respect for them. During this time, all attractive women were NOT interested in me. NOT because I had an "anti-women" attitude (which, at the time...I DID NOT HAVE), but because I was poor. Also because, I am an Omega male. Women rejected me for the same reason female wolves reject Omega male wolves. Pheromones. Why are my pheromones "different" from most men? That's another post. Too long to relate here. But, suffice it to say, I was rejected by Mormon women for the exact same reason that female wolves will NOT mate with the Omega male wolf. So, your ignorant theory that women rejected me because of my attitude once against is based completely on your own IGNORANCE, because I did not think like that then! I believed the LIES that I was told.

My roommate, the BYU grad, believed Mormon women were "whores". Yet, they chased him. Offered him sex. They PROVED him right! Why was HIS anti-women attitude a DRAW for women, and my pro-women attitude (at that time) a NEGATIVE? Because....

1. What he thought about Mormon women was true. They will give sex to Alpha males. Always. Without exception. Nature tells females to "mate" with Alphas. It has to do with survival. I'll explain that in another post. Mormon women are FEMALE MAMMALS, and, when it comes to mating, will behave as all other female mammals on this planet.
2. He was an Alpha Male. He attracted women for the same reason female Bobos are attracted to Alpha Male Bobos....pheromones.
3. He had a good job, nice car, nice clothes; yet more attractions for women.
4. Having sex all the time with Mormon women made him "confident". Yet MORE attraction for women.

So, you see, ignorant fool, once again you can't be MORE wrong! My attitude at the time Mormon women rejected me, was completely respectful of Mormon women, and believing the LIES that I was told: that Mormon women were always honest virgins. But, over the decades, I discovered the TRUTH. When it comes to mating, Mormon women are no different from Chimpanzee females...they will will mate with the Alphas, or die trying. As far as the Omegas, they will shun them, deceive them. Mormon women are female mammals, and act and react in their dealings with males as ANY female mammal does!

Am I "bitter"? Well, suppose I was 18 and sent to Vietnam, thinking I am killing or being killed to protect America. Suppose, I mature, and I realize that I killed in Vietnam, and lost my left eye, and my right leg, NOT because I was protecting America, and NOT because I was helping to keep the South Vietnamese "free" (they never were free), but I discover the REAL REASON I fought in Vietnam; because super-rich corporations and manufacturers wanted to use the Vietnamese as cheap reliable labor, so they could ship American manufacturing jobs over to Vietnam? That is the REAL reason. I would then suddenly realize, that I did not suffer for America. I did not suffer to keep the South Vietnamese "free" (they were never free). I SUFFERED so that super-rich white American men could be even richer! And that is the truth about Vietnam. I lost an eye. I lost a leg. I saw innocent people killed or wounded horribly, all in the name of getting super-rich companies in America to become super-RICHER! How would I feel? Would that make me "bitter"? Would I NOT be justified in my "bitterness"??? Do the math.

3. Do I have a "shallow" opinion of women? Well, let me say this. Women are governed by Nature, with a capital "N". When Nature says "Do this" and God says "Don't do that" women are always, 100% of the time, going to obey Nature, if there is a conflict. This is what Moses (or whomever) tried to say in the parable of Adam and Eve...the women obey the Snake. So, are Mormon women any different? No. Not any. The Mormon women I knew lied, gave my roommates knob jobs, believed my roommates when my roommates lied to them, thought I was coming on to them SIMPLY because I have large eyes, and thought all the time I was making EYES at them (I wasn't), were presumptuous, dishonest, immoral, materialistic. MOST Mormon women are like that. About 10% were not. About 10% were honest moral women. But, even these, were chasing the rich immoral men looking to them for marriage. Again, the instinct in women is stronger than any Free Agency they may have. Eve will always "bite the apple". That is what the author of Genesis was trying to tell us. And he was right.

You are bitter, aren't you?

No wonder the women did not want anything to do with you, you probably radiate so much negativity that you scared them away. You seriously need to read one of those "Secret" books that Oprah is always pushing and try to build up your positive energy.

[_Yoda]

Was the only thing you didn't like about her the fact that she was far?

He didn't mention anything about it being a long-distance relationship, so he probably disliked the fact that she was overweight.

Thank you, Shades. I fixed my typo. Gaging from Darrick's response, it seems like he understood what I was trying to say.

[_Rambo]

Hey Derrick any chance you could change and act like an Alpha male?

I was in YSA for about 8 years and I probably found half the Mormon women had sex it least once. I also found that most of the really pretty girls had sex it least once. Honestly at the time I didn't really care. Sure I was saving myself for my wife but I was able to forgive peoples sins. I even dated a girl with a kid once so I was pretty sure she had sex... :)

[_keithb]

Darrick, two thoughts:

1. Who are these "Mormon" women of whom you speak? Mormon women are, in general, a very diverse group. There are some that are sexual permissive -- just like some Mormon men -- and some that are not.

2. Personally, if you're single and a consenting adult, I don't think that your sex life is the business of anyone else. I say if any man or woman wants to have sex with any other man or woman -- or with a group of them -- I have no problem with it, as long as all parties are over 18 and consent in the legal sense. I have never quite understood people's fascination with the sex lives of others.

Of course I also think that different rules apply when you're married or in a committed relationship

One of the things that you did say that I agree with is that, if you don't find the person you're dating attractive on some level -- for whatever reason -- then it's time to move on. Personally, I would have moved on long before 2.5 years had passed. I can understand, at least in part, some of the frustration of dating. I am actually taking a break from dating for the moment just because I can't seem to find women whom I find attractive on a physical, emotional, and intellectual level. For me, I don't factor in weight as much as you seem to (I am a little chunky myself ... :D ), but I do place a high emphasis on compatibility, and I just haven't had much luck with the girls I've met since my divorce.

Still, I don't think that you should be bitter about these things; and I definitely don't think that you should blame all women. For every guy out there in the Mormon church that is promiscuous and leads a double life, I am sure that there are just as many girls that do the same. And, I am sure that there is the female equivalent of Darrick out there: a girl that was super frustrated watching her roommate have all the luck with girls while she struggled to find dates. So, just think of that next time you get depressed or angry about being single.

[Guest]

Fifty pounds over weight and above I would consider "fat".

The woman I dated for two and one half years....

1. She was not attractive in any way. I was the only man who ever asked her out except for a black NBA player who tried to seduce her once in his motel room when she worked as a motel clerk (yes...I know...she should have married the guy....but he just was looking for a quick booty-call I'm sure)

2. I did not particularly like hanging around her.

3. Our commonalities were that we were both returned missionaries. I spent about two hours a week with her, for two and one-half years. We'd go to dinner, sometimes the movies. Sometimes we'd watch a movie at her house. A few times we'd play tennis, or go hiking, but she got fatter and fatter.

4. She was not intellectual, so talking to her was not interesting. We'd just watch movies together mostly.

She was quite upset when I finally told her I was moving on. She supposed that we were going to get married, although I never told her that. She assumed it. No other man was interested in her. She was so upset she threatened to kill me (she apologized for that later). She felt abandoned. But, I could not marry a woman I was not in love with, and who physically repulsed me. What's the point of marriage then? Anyway, she became an elementary school teacher, and hopefully she got married to some guy and had a kid or two. But....I was never happy with her, never attracted to her. I went out with her for years TRYING to fall in love with her, but it never worked. I learned....if you are not physically/emotionally attracted to a woman, move on!!!

1) 2 hrs a week? That's *barely* dating.

2) Your way of talking about women makes you a real asshole, but the question is are you at least a handsome asshole who can call women ugly from at least a superior physical position or are you ugly in addition to being an asshole? I wonder if the pot calls the kettle black when it comes to calling women fat, ugly, and unattractive.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I swear I feel like I'm watching an episode of Seinfeld every time Mr. D posts.

- VRDRC

[_Yoda]

I swear I feel like I'm watching an episode of Seinfeld every time Mr. D posts.

- VRDRC

I take it that Darrick is George? ;-)

[_Dr. Shades]

Darrick:

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.