Fence Sitter wrote:Let me see if I understand the concept here. If I reply with an encouraging comment here you will continue with more post and if I ignore you or I am negative in my response you will cut down on your posts. It that about it?
"I Have the power".
Ha, you would think that might do the trick.
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)
I think you are trying to use rationality to explain an irrational system.
It would be like trying to write a computer program to understand Mrs Zee. :)
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
I think you are trying to use rationality to explain an irrational system.
It would be like trying to write a computer program to understand Mrs Zee. :)
Fence Sitter,
Feedback loops occur in natural systems. The interaction between LDS leaders and members is a complex, natural system.
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)
I think you are trying to use rationality to explain an irrational system.
It would be like trying to write a computer program to understand Mrs Zee. :)
Fence Sitter,
Feedback loops occur in natural systems. The interaction between LDS leaders and members is a complex, natural system.
Zee,
How do Church leaders receive feedback from members?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
I think you are trying to use rationality to explain an irrational system.
It would be like trying to write a computer program to understand Mrs Zee. :)
Fence Sitter,
Feedback loops occur in natural systems. The interaction between LDS leaders and members is a complex, natural system.
While that may be true, I would suggest that the Holy Ghost is not a natural component, and is an irrational one at that, as you seem to point out. I am not an expert here, but is it possible to write the type of program you do for a system that includes such a factor?
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
How do Church leaders receive feedback from members?
I guess i should have responded to FS with my explanation of my intent. I intend to play with the concept of the Holy Ghost, which i believe has problems. I like to do this in sort of sarcastic ways.
The system I referred to in the OP is the interaction between the Holy Ghost and the Mormon. In reality, the church leaders are part of this system.
The real system (not the one referred to my sarcastic OP) involves the leaders, the members, and very likely doesn't include any Holy Ghosts.
But I do believe members influence leaders in many ways.
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Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)
Fence Sitter wrote:While that may be true, I would suggest that the Holy Ghost is not a natural component, and is an irrational one at that, as you seem to point out. I am not an expert here, but is it possible to write the type of program you do for a system that includes such a factor?
no, it isn't, FS.
I am playing. I build serious models everyday and need time to play while I sit here at the airport. Ah, boarding...
Oh for shame, how the mortals put the blame on us gods, for they say evils come from us, but it is they, rather, who by their own recklessness win sorrow beyond what is given... Zeus (1178 BC)
Does this mean you will not be coming out with a Holy Ghost feedback app?
Now I have to cancel my I phone order!!!
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
In terms of the Holy Ghost method of inspiration, I think it is demonstrably ineffective and in some cases downright dangerous.
Bishops make the assumption that their decisions are inspired by the Holy Ghost. This means that they do not make the same safety checks other organizations do when appointing people to positions of power and authority within their ward. Take for example the case of the nine year old girl who was sexually abused during her primary lesson by her Primary teacher. Where did the Holy Ghost influence this? He was supposedly influencing the Bishop to appoint this man to this teaching position.
If He did then He is completely not fit for purpose. If He didn't then the system of inspiring Bishops is not fit for purpose.
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator