davidlory on youtube regarding Adam-God

[_Nightlion]

David Lory has been online since 2006 at least. Never seen him before. I suppose I ought to wait and see if he shows up before I school everyone AGAIN! on what's up with eternal life and how ours squares with that of God according to LDS scripture and nothing at all with Brigham Young who did not seem able to move any of Joseph's thoughts an inch and proved himself no prophet. None knew that better than he did by his own admission. Brigham even said once that he cared not how IT was, if God was grandfather or what not! Hmm?

[_kamenraider]

Well since davidlory is a no-show so far, why don't you tell us what you believe regarding Adam-God, the identity of Elohim, Jehovah and Michael, Jesus Christ, etc., Nightlion. I haven't read any of your posts about it before.

[_Nightlion]

Well since davidlory is a no-show so far, why don't you tell us what you believe regarding Adam-God, the identity of Elohim, Jehovah and Michael, Jesus Christ, etc., Nightlion. I haven't read any of your posts about it before.

Heh, heh, heh. I would usually post a link to my PDF but I suspect few get passed my Lorenzo Snow smack down to get to the meat of it. So.

The Book of Mormon emphatically states the Jesus Christ IS the Very Eternal Father.
That is the big hoop you got to get through to begin to understand. How is Christ the Very Eternal Father.......?........! Christ said in D&C 93 that light and truth, which is our native element, where we came from, not created or made, and what we are without any gifts or appointments from God added unto us, just a medium that fills the universe as a conduit for the will and purposes of God WAS appointed to independent spheres of existence, or sentient being, able to organize our intelligence according to our specific sphere according to the appointment of the knowledge of that sphere, all things were thusly organized of man and worlds and animals from the least to the greatest. NOT THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE ALL AT ONCE just our portion figured to inhabit this earth. All the rest of the universe was always and already there coming and going according to the will of the Father.

So whom do you suppose gave the command to come forth and receive these seveal appointments of independent existencessss? God, yes and how does God command? It is always the will of the Father by the word of the Son and carried into effect by the power of the Holy Ghost. Jumpin' Jehosaphat, all three are the Very Eternal Father of all things. How about that? Christ is, and Heavenly Father is, and even the Holy Ghost are all one God infinite and eternal. Where did they come from. Were they each obscure men living on planets out there some where who earned their exaltation and proved themselves worthy to continue from a little knowledge to a greater until they became God Almighty, the Very Eternal Father of heaven and earth? NO! Never! What more is said?

All intelligence exist one above another and God is greater than they all. His intelligence, which cannot be created or made, is greater that all other intelligences. There cannot be ascension to this status. You are either the greatest or you are not. Why? Because intelligence cannot be created or made. It just is. Lucky for us there were at least three that were so Great. And the generations of their coming is described in their power, as all priesthood is by right of lineage as it were. God's power is from everlasting to everlasting, having neither beginning of days or end of years and comes without father and without mother.
No descent. The Gods therefore are not sexual beings. They did not come by way of the seed and are not gender differentiated. Go figure? Man, who vaunts himself up to be worthy to ascend to the height and take the throne and power of God as was the lust of the devil.

For God gave the Mormons strong delusion that they believe a lie because they loved not the truth (Zion and the power thereof) and had pleasure in unrighteousness (the honors, wealth, power and learning of the pride of the world).
Joseph Smith saw this coming and new the Church needed a reformation. He should have lived so long. See D&C 85 50-59 for a backup to this condemnation.

Perhaps I should serialize this. It's a lot to take in all at once.
Back with part 2. Let's see if there are any questions or clarifications needed.

To wrap up, we have established that Jesus Christ is from all eternity the Very Eternal Father. The fact that he is also the Lamb of God and the Only Begotten of the Father is very much so. As far as him being the first born you got to keep in mind that being the first born does not negate that he is yet the Only Begotten of the Father. You see, in every stage of existence the Father puts his name upon the Son and then we, if chosen, have Christ put his name upon us as we are thusly begotten of God or of Christ. Those in the beginning who did not rebel (not chosen to continue) took upon them the name of Christ or subjected themselves to his gospel. (same thing)

Having so well removed God from the equation of man's exaltation perhaps renders further discussion moot on this point but it is still a worthy and interesting discovery to unfold the exact chronology of man's performance as a seed bearer.

Next time we will set up the chronology of creation scripture:

[_kamenraider]

Didn't Joseph Smith teach that the gods are gender differentiated?

*edited to add:

Still mourning the loss of her mother, Zina Diantha asked the prophet's help in understanding the meaning of her experience. She wondered if she would know her mother in the hereafter. He replied promptly, "Certainly you will. More than that you will meet and become acquainted with your eternal Mother, the wife of your Father in Heaven." Never having previously considered the novel idea of a heavenly mother, Zina asked: "And have I then a Mother in Heaven?" "You assuredly have," Joseph answered. "How could a Father claim His title unless there were also a Mother to share that parenthood."
--Martha Sonntag Bradley and Mary Brown Firmage Woodward, Four Zinas, Salt Lake City, Utah: Signature Books 2000, pg. 107.

[_Nightlion]

Didn't Joseph Smith teach that the gods are gender differentiated?

*edited to add:

Still mourning the loss of her mother, Zina Diantha asked the prophet's help in understanding the meaning of her experience. She wondered if she would know her mother in the hereafter. He replied promptly, "Certainly you will. More than that you will meet and become acquainted with your eternal Mother, the wife of your Father in Heaven." Never having previously considered the novel idea of a heavenly mother, Zina asked: "And have I then a Mother in Heaven?" "You assuredly have," Joseph answered. "How could a Father claim His title unless there were also a Mother to share that parenthood."
--Martha Sonntag Bradley and Mary Brown Firmage Woodward, Four Zinas, Salt Lake City, Utah: Signature Books 2000, pg. 107.

Zebedee Coltrin testified:
Once after returning from a mission, he [Zebedee Coltrin] met Brother Joseph in Kirtland, who asked him if he did not wish to go with him to a conference at New Portage. The party consisted of Presidents Joseph Smith, Sidney Rigdon, Oliver Cowdery and myself [Zebedee Coltrin]. Next morning at New Portage, he noticed that Joseph seemed to have a far off look in his eyes, or was looking at a distance and presently he, Joseph, stepped between Brothers Cowdery and Coltrin and taking them by the arm, said, "Let's take a walk." They went to a place where there was some beautiful grass and grapevines and swampbeech interlaced. President Joseph Smith then said, "Let us pray." They all three prayed in turn--Joseph, Oliver, and Zebedee. Brother Joseph then said, "Now brethren, we will see some visions." Joseph lay down on the ground on his back and stretched out his arms and the two brethren lay on them. The heavens gradually opened, and they saw a golden throne, on a circular foundation, something like a light house, and on the throne were two aged personages, having white hair, and clothed in white garments. They were the two most beautiful and perfect specimens of mankind he ever saw. Joseph said, "They are our first parents, Adam and Eve." Adam was a large, broad-shouldered man, and Eve as a woman, was a large in proportion. (Brother Coltrin was born September 7th, 1804, and was baptized into the church on the 9th of January, 1831.)
Source: Minutes of High Priest Meeting, Spanish Fork, Utah, February 5, 1870.

This begins the Adam as our father and our god debacle. Even Joseph did not comprehend all things from the beginning. God will unfold as we are prepared to receive. Anyone who believes the same in ten years or the same in twenty, and thirty and forty, as he did when he began was never taught of God.

What is true is that Adam and Eve were the parents of our spirit bodies. This will be shown in the creation scripture chronology. It is written plainly in the texts just so.

God and Christ and the Holy Ghost are not seed bearers. Their course is one eternal round meaning that they repeat the three stations of F/S/HG. How so?

D&C 35: 1
1 Listen to the voice of the Lord your God, even Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, whose course is one eternal round, the same today as yesterday, and forever.

This is the course whereby Christ treads in the tracks of the Father and inherits what the Father did before. As Jesus told the Jew, "What and if ye shall see the Son of Man ascend up to where he was before?" John 6 Meaning sitting upon the very throne of power as he also told Caiaphas that they shall see him sit upon the right hand of the power. These stations are the three division of God's eternal round.
This means that they each will repeat as the Holy Ghost. Consider that name, Holy Ghost. Ghost of what? Of that which is holy. What is holy? The Father is the Holy Father. Who is ready for this?

Why did Christ not resurrect his earthly tabernacle? He took it back but it has the scars of his torture and passion. A resurrected and glorified body is perfect without such imperfections. Christ then only took back that body without resurrecting it for his eternal habitation. Why? Because he was going to return to where he had been before........sitting upon the very throne of power!

When this earth is celestialized and the city of God is trucked from near Kolob to this earth and it is nailed, as it were, into this planet both penetrating below and above for it is of great size, that will be the very throne of the power of the Highest.
Now whose earth shall this earth be in its glory.......that's right......it will be Christ's.

D&C 130
8 The place where God resides is a great Urim and Thummim.
9 This earth, in its sanctified and immortal state, will be made like unto crystal and will be a Urim and Thummim to the inhabitants who dwell thereon, whereby all things pertaining to an inferior kingdom, or all kingdoms of a lower order, will be manifest to those who dwell on it; and this earth will be Christ’s.

There is only one such city in all eternity and throughout the universe. If Christ is going to be seated upon the very throne of power, well, there is already one who sits there. What becomes of him? He vacates to become the Holy Ghost as in an instant Christ steps into that body which is where he was before. This is not the first round for all three of them. It is an eternal round. As the Father told Christ that he had both glorified his name and would glorify it again (in Christ) (Found in John's testimony too)

The flesh and blood body that Christ took back, what becomes of it? Take eat, this is my body. Drink ye all of it, this is my blood. The sanctification of the sacrament counts it all as being the body and blood of Christ as it will at the very moment when all things become new count for the consumption of that husk Christ must step out of to step into the body vacated by the Holy Father as he continues in becoming the next Holy Ghost for a successive turn of God's eternal round of a course. That course and path that they follow each other on and tread in the tracks of one another as one God.

Let's call this the second part of part ONE.

Note how impossible it is for there to be a female consort to the Father, Son or the Holy Ghost. There is no procreation with Very God, only by way of the gospel do we become the sons and daughters of God. If we were by lineage what need would we have for the gospel? Since the gospel is provided that would prove we are not by lineage the children of God and must become children of his kingdom in a mystical way by power and by covenant in an act of creation by the word of God's power which is how he does all things. Sex and procreation are not accomplished by the word of his power and therefore cannot be of God. See D&C 29.

[_ldsfaqs]

David Lory used to be a good friend concerning LDS issues.

Sadly though, he is an absolute nut case when it concern's politics and conspiracy theory's.
He's a big Alex Jones believer, Ron Paul lover, etc.
Sadly, when I made a couple of comments on these issues (he's made other videos) he completely banned me when I was only having a respectful discussion with someone else on the issues. But, because he didn't like what I was saying, he banned me for it.

The irony is what he did was completely against LDS values, as well as the values of "Freedom" he supposedly believes in.

He believes that unless you believe exactly as he does, you're not worth even being a friend.
Of course, what is odd is he's actually friend's with another youtuber, who's also friends with him in real life and is a jack Mormon or whatever, and that friend thinks David's a bit nut's also in some of his views, but yet they remain friends. Go figure. :(

Anyway, it hurt..... I thought we were good friends, and for him to treat me that way is just a shame.

[_Nightlion]

David Lory used to be a good friend concerning LDS issues.

Sadly though, he is an absolute nut case when it concern's politics and conspiracy theory's.
He's a big Alex Jones believer, Ron Paul lover, etc.
Sadly, when I made a couple of comments on these issues (he's made other videos) he completely banned me when I was only having a respectful discussion with someone else on the issues. But, because he didn't like what I was saying, he banned me for it.

The irony is what he did was completely against LDS values, as well as the values of "Freedom" he supposedly believes in.

He believes that unless you believe exactly as he does, you're not worth even being a friend.
Of course, what is odd is he's actually friend's with another youtuber, who's also friends with him in real life and is a jack Mormon or whatever, and that friend thinks David's a bit nut's also in some of his views, but yet they remain friends. Go figure. :(

Anyway, it hurt..... I thought we were good friends, and for him to treat me that way is just a shame.

Well, hey, payback can be a b.... Is he too much a star in his own mind to not want to mingle here and get his doctrine corrected? I like how he comes off unscripted and unpretentious. He predicts a big market crash. Ho hum, who cares? Politics are for babies who have to whine about everything. Not my world. Zion is about forsaking the world and backing it off with power and a stretched out arm. Don't tread on me for real men.

[_gdemetz]

Please read the other posts on the so-called "Adam-God" theory. Brigham Young never taught that, but he certainly was misunderstood inside as well as outside of the church.

[_Nightlion]

Please read the other posts on the so-called "Adam-God" theory. Brigham Young never taught that, but he certainly was misunderstood inside as well as outside of the church.

If you ever spent time with the Journal of Discourses then you know that Brigham definitely taught that Adam was our father and our god and the only god with whom we have to do.

He also taught otherwise. He also said he did not care which way it was.
This thread is not about what Brigham did or did not say, it is about doctrine.
Have you a vessel that holds oil?

[_gdemetz]

I have read all of the discourses of Brigham Young, and I carefully explained that on my original post concerning the Adam-God theory. You should read that.