Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief

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Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief

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I'm ready, Wade. I need your help. How do we start?

- VRDRC
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief

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Spurven Ten Sing wrote:If you were sincere, why in the name of Danko would you do this here? Use a PM for Chrissake.


eggsactamently! But that's Wade for you.
Zadok:
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief

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wenglund wrote:Sorry, I am not going to take your ironic bait. I am not here to argue or debate or exchange insults with you or anyone else. I meant what I said about only wishing to help Kevin...


Feel free to PM him. If you ever decide you desire a reason-based worldview, remember that I'm here to help you.
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Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief

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Spurven Ten Sing wrote:If you were sincere, why in the name of Danko would you do this here? Use a PM for Chrissake.


I am posting here because this is where Kevin tends to post, and I also thought that others may benefit. I had no idea that my benign actions in response to a perfectly innocent expressed desire posed such a threat to you. Please feel free to avoid this thread to assure that you come to no harm.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-
"Why should I care about being consistent?" --Mister Scratch (MD, '08)
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Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief

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wenglund wrote:I meant what I said about only wishing to help Kevin, or anyone else for that matter, with their unbelief.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


Helloooo...

I'm ready to be helped with my unbelief. Let's get started, yes?

- VRDRC
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief

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EAllusion wrote:Feel free to PM him. If you ever decide you desire a reason-based worldview, remember that I'm here to help you.


I appreciate the offer. And, if I ever sense that the thriving reasoned-based aspect of my world-view isn't working for me to the best in achieving my desired goal, I will be sure to keep you in mind.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-
"Why should I care about being consistent?" --Mister Scratch (MD, '08)
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wenglund wrote:
Spurven Ten Sing wrote:If you were sincere, why in the name of Danko would you do this here? Use a PM for Chrissake.


I am posting here because this is where Kevin tends to post, and I also thought that others may benefit. I had no idea that my benign actions in response to a perfectly innocent expressed desire posed such a threat to you. Please feel free to avoid this thread to assure that you come to no harm.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


You pose no threat at all (and, by the way, I don't believe that even you are so self-deluded as to believe anyone here finds you a threat: you post smells a bit trollish in that regard).

It is just that some of us cannot understand why you waste your time on such an obviously pointless endeavor. Can you honestly believe that there is the slightest chance of Kevin Graham paying serious attention to your offer to help him return to belief?

If the answer to that is "yes", you are deluded.
If the answer to that is "no", then why are you here?
Zadok:
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief

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wenglund wrote:I appreciate the offer.


I'm sure you do.

And, if I ever sense that the thriving reasoned-based aspect of my world-view isn't working for me to the best in achieving my desired goal, I will be sure to keep you in mind.

I thought you were still a Mormon? I apologize if I haven't kept up on these things. Anyway, feel free to PM Kevin with what we all know to be your sincere offer of help. I believe the first lesson involved humility?

Thanks,

EA
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Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Helloooo...

I'm ready to be helped with my unbelief. Let's get started, yes?

- VRDRC


Okay,

Your first step is to learn patience.

Your second step is to stop thinking just of yourself, and start thinking of others--like Kevin.

Please let me know how you are progressing in those first two important steps.

Once Kevin responds, feel free to follow along.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-
"Why should I care about being consistent?" --Mister Scratch (MD, '08)
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Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief

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wenglund wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Helloooo...

I'm ready to be helped with my unbelief. Let's get started, yes?

- VRDRC


Okay,

Your first step is to learn patience.

Your second step is to stop thinking just of yourself, and start thinking of others--like Kevin.

Please let me know how you are progressing in those first two important steps.


I'm thinking of you, Wade. That is why I am trying to help you to avoid wasting your time and making a fool of yourself on this board. I am being much more patient about that than most people would expect me to be.

Can you manage the humility required to appreciate my efforts?
Zadok:
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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