There are only two Churches...

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liz3564 wrote:

Interesting. Thank you for expanding on this, Chap. The LDS Church does reference the Trinity, however:

LDS.org wrote:4. States the person’s full name and says, “Having been commissioned of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen” (D&C 20:73).



Also, do Baptists count in this segment of accepted baptisms?


But they do not have the same understanding of the Trinity.

Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Unitarians do not use this formula and/or have different understandings of the Trinity than other Christians, so Catholicism does not recognize their baptisms since they do not have the same intention
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And yes a Baptist baptism counts as valid.
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Were Ebionites Christian?
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cinepro wrote:The current LDS teaching on this is very ecumenical, along the lines of any good Christian church is part of the Church of the Lamb of God. Obviously, in the past we had more specific ideas about this.

Even today I know people who very specifically think the Catholic Church is the "Church of the Devil".

Stephen Robinson has a good article about it here:

http://www.LDS.org/ensign/1988/01/warri ... nts-of-god

Thanks for that article. It is very encouraging. I would hope that such attitudes are encouraged more among LDS.
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It is all about the intended audience.

To the outsiders, who are the prospective tithe payers, the only true church of god is portrayed as the Xtian church.

To the insiders, the only true church of god is none other than LDS Inc.

It is interesting how far the LDS church has fallen from the original teachings of their founder.

Its all about the numbers I suppose, number of tithe payers.
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bcspace wrote:
...at least that is what the Book of Mormon teaches us.

1. The Church of the Lamb of God.
2. The Church of the devil.

You are either in one or the other.
So, my question.

Is Christianity (not the Mormon bit) in category 1 or 2?


2. It's not that any particular church is the church of the Devil (if I had to pin it on one, it would be the pre-Catholic apostate church), it's that their doctrines or lack thereof are the teachings of that church. Political organizations fit here as well, Democrats for example, or any others that might match the description of Gadianton robbers.

If it's in 2 why do Mormon's want to be Christian?


Because we are the modern descendents of the original Christian Church.

If it's in 1 Mormonism cannot be the only one true Church.


That is correct. While there are truths in other churches, their doctrine, if one settles on it, does not result in eternal life.


Bc, which category does the modern Catholic Church fit into - 1 or 2?
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That is correct. While there are truths in other churches, their doctrine, if one settles on it, does not result in eternal life.

Bc, which category does the modern Catholic Church fit into - 1 or 2?


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bcspace wrote:All nonLDS churches are part of the church of the Devil. None of them are THE church of the Devil.


So Christianity is part of the Church of the Devil?
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bcspace wrote:All nonLDS churches are part of the church of the Devil. None of them are THE church of the Devil.


Sigworthy, at least for a while ...
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bcspace wrote:All nonLDS churches are part of the church of the Devil. None of them are THE church of the Devil.

Would this idea be ok to present to unwitting investigators?
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All nonLDS churches are part of the church of the Devil. None of them are THE church of the Devil.

So Christianity is part of the Church of the Devil?


Settling with nonLDS christianity does not result in eternal life, so yes, all nonLDS christianity is part of the church of the Devil.

Would this idea be ok to present to unwitting investigators?


They are encouraged to read the Book of Mormon. We often quote JS-H1:19 in our first conversations.

Sigworthy, at least for a while ...


Sweet! That means those who are ignoring me can continue to read my words.
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...Although perhaps "affiliated" is a better choice of words. Oh well.
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