Proof the Jaredites were real

[_MCB]

Are you suggesting that they would dump s*** through the bottom hole?

I think the biggest problem would be how to get the urine out. At least feces can be dewatered and pushed through holes.

My nose is just curling at the thought of it.

[_Nightlion]

I think even if the Lord was very specific about what the hole in the bottom was for Moroni would have edited those details out keeping the record unspotted from the world. Those who think both had to be air hole and conclude that the barge was meant to tumble over and over on itself are wrong.

Are you suggesting that they would dump s*** through the bottom hole?

I think the biggest problem would be how to get the urine out. At least feces can be dewatered and pushed through holes.

What you fail to imagine is precisely how that hole would have been designed. the agitation of the wave motion of the barge would have moved the sewage along and away from the hole to disperse in the ocean. Are you thinking that the water would brim to the top of the hole when opened. This is not the case as the air pressure inside even with the top hole open would keep the water lever below the brim if they built it up from the actual floor of the barge.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D0gSiw17lU

[_Chap]

What you fail to imagine is precisely how that hole would have been designed. the agitation of the wave motion of the barge would have moved the sewage along and away from the hole to disperse in the ocean. Are you thinking that the water would brim to the top of the hole when opened. This is not the case as the air pressure inside even with the top hole open would keep the water lever below the brim if they built it up from the actual floor of the barge.

If the top hole is open, then the pressure of the air inside the barge will simply be atmospheric pressure. If a hole is then opened in the bottom of the vessel, the water level will rise inside the barge until it is level with the outside water level.

If the top hole is closed, then water will rise through a hole open in the bottom until compression of the air inside the barge has increased its pressure by an amount equal to the pressure caused by a head of water equal to the difference between the inside and outside water levels. Depending on the internal volume of the barges, and the depth of water they draw, quite a lot of water could come in that way.

What a pity the author and proprietor of the Book of Mormon made this story up! It causes so many problems ...

[_NorthboundZax]

What you fail to imagine is precisely how that hole would have been designed. the agitation of the wave motion of the barge would have moved the sewage along and away from the hole to disperse in the ocean. Are you thinking that the water would brim to the top of the hole when opened. This is not the case as the air pressure inside even with the top hole open would keep the water lever below the brim if they built it up from the actual floor of the barge.

Interesting thought. Air pressure isn't going to quite do what your are suggesting, though. The water level in the hole would come to the same level as the water level on the outside of the boat. If they built a tube that was taller than the highest water mark encountered on the voyage, that could work.

Here's my try at Jaredite poop disposal. The hole at the bottom is connected to the hole at the top via celestial pvc pipe. When not in use, the pipe extends all the way to the top, so for storms and large waves topping the boat, water flows down and through. When nature calls, the pipe is dropped far enough for Mohonri to do his business, but no lower than the outside watermark. Everyone has to cross their legs during stormy weather.

[_NorthboundZax]

 20 And the Lord said unto the brother of Jared: Behold, thou shalt make a hole in the top, and also in the bottom; and when thou shalt suffer for air thou shalt unstop the hole and receive air. And if it be so that the water come in upon thee, behold, ye shall stop the hole, that ye may not perish in the flood.


Really, a pretty funny scripture. When asked how they will breathe with His ship design, the omnipotent master of the universe says "make a hole - if water comes in, close it"

[_zeezrom]

Likely, Mr. Smith and Co. were reading articles with depictions like this in them:

[_Nightlion]

What you fail to imagine is precisely how that hole would have been designed. the agitation of the wave motion of the barge would have moved the sewage along and away from the hole to disperse in the ocean. Are you thinking that the water would brim to the top of the hole when opened. This is not the case as the air pressure inside even with the top hole open would keep the water lever below the brim if they built it up from the actual floor of the barge.

If the top hole is open, then the pressure of the air inside the barge will simply be atmospheric pressure. If a hole is then opened in the bottom of the vessel, the water level will rise inside the barge until it is level with the outside water level.

If the top hole is closed, then water will rise through a hole open in the bottom until compression of the air inside the barge has increased its pressure by an amount equal to the pressure caused by a head of water equal to the difference between the inside and outside water levels. Depending on the internal volume of the barges, and the depth of water they draw, quite a lot of water could come in that way.

What a pity the author and proprietor of the Book of Mormon made this story up! It causes so many problems ...

Watch the YouTube video Chap

[_zeezrom]

I think even if the Lord was very specific about what the hole in the bottom was for Moroni would have edited those details out keeping the record unspotted from the world. Those who think both had to be air hole and conclude that the barge was meant to tumble over and over on itself are wrong.

because God is very concerned about giving out gory details. That has been made obvious though the Old Testament

[_Dantana]

And if it be so that the water come in upon thee, behold, ye shall stop the hole, that ye may not perish in the flood.

"And if it be so that the water come in upon thee, behold, ye shall stop the hole, that ye may not perish in the flood."

I've always thought this line a little odd. Either these Jaredites are really slow, or God has a tendency to overstate the obvious. If water starts coming in, stop up the hole....cause it'll flood the boat, and that's not good cause then you wouldn't be able to breathe.....in a boat full of water.

[_Quasimodo]

If you open a hole in the bottom of a boat it sinks. Water tight is not the same as air tight. Even if you 'batten down the hatches' on a sail boat, a hole in the bottom will sink it.