The Bishop's Wife

[_Cicero]

Yes, in the JoD, which is not recognized as doctrine. Show me, in the scriptures, Mormon or otherwise, where it is taught that God is a polygamist.

Personally Liz, I find it hard to read D&C 132 any other way given its context.

[_quark]

The most powerful entities on either end of the spectrum are male: Heavenly Father and Satan. Females are stuck with being sleeveless, winged angels that must later be photoshopped every time they get air time in Church publications.

I would like to submit the theory that Satan is like Santa Claus: The position is on a continual rotation. Satan is a calling, not a person. Currently, the person filling the role of Satan is indeed female. She is immensely frightening and clever!

[_quark]

I recently found an accurate depiction of Heavenly Mother and her husband:


Stefan Bakalowicz - Lovers

[_why me]

Last Saturday evening, we went over to the new bishop’s house for dinner and conversation. Turns out the bishop’s wife has been struggling for many years with her perception that women are treated as second class citizens in the Church, and wondered what I thought of it.

I told her she was right; it is a patriarchal organization in which men have all the power.

She asked about Heavenly Mother, and why we don’t talk more about her, relating the excuse she (and all of us, I imagine) have heard that she is “too sacred” to talk about.

Nonsense, I told her.

This is just the way the patriarchal church has of damning her with faint praise, which is really the same thing they do to all the women in the church—talking about how wonderful they are; even more wonderful and spiritual than the men—and yet making sure all the while they are kept in their place.

She wasn’t too sure about this part, so I asked her on what two occasions a missionary may call home. She didn’t know. Her husband, an RM from Japan, immediately jumped in with the correct answer—Christmas and Mother’s Day.

Not Father’s Day—Mother’s Day.

It has also become common for priesthood leaders to extol Eve’s actions in the Garden as being superior and more “in tune with the Spirit” than Adam.

And yet when it comes to leadership in the Church, women remain inferior to men.

And the same goes for Heavenly Mother—in spades.

She agreed, but followed up by asking why it was she was virtually never discussed. “Simple,” I responded, “This is a patriarchal organization and the male leaders are afraid of her.”

This seems to have made a lot of sense to her.

I finished off by telling her that the white patriarchal church finally figured out they were wrong in denying the priesthood to black men, and within the next fifty years, they will come to the same realization about women.

We discussed some other things, but I think the conversation was therapeutic to her in that she found out there are others who see things that she sees, and she is not in some sort of apostate time continuum.



All the Best!

--Consiglieri

Wow...isn't it amazing that she opened up to you about something that is often discussed on the internet? What a fortunate man you are to find such a willing person to share such thoughts....thoughts that you can place right on this forum. Amazing.

And your wonderful response that men have all the power was so straight forward and right to the point. And where was her husband at this time of straight conversation? Taking a dump. And then sure enough, up comes heavenly mother and your great response to her about this sacred bullcrap. Gosh, Consig, you sure was fortunate to have this conversation while the husband was taking a dump. You covered the spectrum of internet chatter about women, heavenly mother etc.

I am sure that when the husband heard what you talked about with her, he loved it. Or was he there, smiling at you...somewhat flirting with her by showing what a wondeful and sensitive guy you are.

Thanks for posting this.

[_why me]

What a wonderful opportunity!

Amazing opportunity. And the bishop's wife yet! Wow. But where was the bishop and consig's wife? Maybe they had their own conversation about the price of gas.

[_why me]

A more reasonable and less speculative answer about Heavenly Mother is:

God is a polygamist and thus we all for the most part have a different Mother in Heaven.

What is strange is that other christian faiths have no heavenly mother at all. Just a guy who is god, who is alone with the universe. I say thumbs up for the LDS church to claim that heavenly father has a wife who was with him in creating the world. And who we were with as spirit children. Sounds wonderful.

[_Infymus]

What is strange is that other christian faiths have no heavenly mother at all. Just a guy who is god, who is alone with the universe. I say thumbs up for the LDS church to claim that heavenly father has a wife who was with him in creating the world. And who we were with as spirit children. Sounds wonderful.

What is strange is that the Mormon "faith" used to claim, preach and teach that men could become Gods with polygamous wives.

Perhaps those other Christian faiths realized that their past leaders were speaking as men or misinterpreted the scriptures and now "don't know if they teach that."

[Guest]

...Maybe they had their own conversation about the price of gas.

Maybe. So? Why are you offering up irrelevant trivia. Maybe there were fruit flies gathering on some bananas in the kitchen as well.

[_Doctor Steuss]

[Deleted... unnecessary unkind. Sorry.]

[_quark]

What is strange is that other christian faiths have no heavenly mother at all. Just a guy who is god, who is alone with the universe.

I suppose you have a point that no other Christian religion (that I'm aware of) teach that God is married to another God. I think you are wrong in saying that God is "just a guy who is alone in the universe." Surely, God is not alone in the eyes of all Christians around the world. Just look at how other Christians elevate the Madonna in the spiritual realm.

I say thumbs up for the LDS church to claim that heavenly father has a wife who was with him in creating the world. And who we were with as spirit children. Sounds wonderful.

I agree that it does sound wonderful. It is wonderful that God has a husband and that God has a wife. In other words, the LDS church must believe there are two parent Gods in the heavens. Did you hear that? TWO Gods! Amazing indeed! The problem is, they will never admit to this glorious truth.