L. Tom Perry Takes Dead Aim at the Left in Conference

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Kishkumen wrote:I don't want to be too hard on him, but this fustian nonsense is too much to swallow. Just drop the act, Droops. It's not funny; it's not impressive; it simply does not work. Be yourself.


What if that is Droopy being himself? I know people whose prose is that fetid even in casual conversation. Think HI McDonough.
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Droopy wrote:This was a new and quite lucid "choose you this day" moment for the NOM's, "Reform," and "neo-Orthodox" cultural Mormons, and especially those among the small but vocal liberal LDS academic elite who fancy themselves the authentic "anointed servants" and oracles of the Lord among the Latter-day-Saints (and perhaps those "voices" of "Mormon life and culture") who, having at first tasted of the fruit of the Tree of Life, and then having looked around and made eye contact with the cool, hip people in the Great and Spacious Building, felt ashamed, and, well, not really left the Church in the way many leave the Church (leaving it and attacking it from the outside), but began a life's work of boring from within the Church such that, eventually, the Church will leave the gospel.

I found this especially clarifying and productive of courage, faith, and renewed valence as the Saints (and others of the good, noble, just, and righteous of the earth) face The Great and Abominable Church of the Devil and its factions, wings, sects, sectarian cults, ideologies, norms, nostrums, and mythologies as elucidated in the Book of Mormon, as the days grow short, and midnight approaches.


In fact, I would go so far as to say that Elder Perry is sounding the clarion call of the awakening of a sleeping giant who is unfurling a standard on the mountaintop for all conservative, orthodox, traditional, chapel, standard, and rank-and-file Mormons, particularly the conservatives who do not feel bounded by Ivory Tower sophistry and worldly learning (which is why I make sure to call anyone who finds my thick, purple prose unimpressive as "undeducated"), for they understand the plane and precocious things of the Kingdom, which is to say the Lord's Kingdom, not to be confused with the kingdom of this world, whether it is a kingdom qua kingdom, it is certainly a satrapy.

Thus, the restored gospel will continue to role fourth, as the Bretheren continue to foster the growth of righteous thoughts, musings, opinions, ruminations, ideas, cogitations, concepts, and mental images.
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Droopy wrote:This was a new and quite lucid "choose you this day" moment for the NOM's, "Reform," and "neo-Orthodox" cultural Mormons, and especially those among the small but vocal liberal LDS academic elite who fancy themselves the authentic "anointed servants" and oracles of the Lord among the Latter-day-Saints (and perhaps those "voices" of "Mormon life and culture") who, having at first tasted of the fruit of the Tree of Life, and then having looked around and made eye contact with the cool, hip people in the Great and Spacious Building, felt ashamed, and, well, not really left the Church in the way many leave the Church (leaving it and attacking it from the outside), but began a life's work of boring from within the Church such that, eventually, the Church will leave the gospel.

I found this especially clarifying and productive of courage, faith, and renewed valence as the Saints (and others of the good, noble, just, and righteous of the earth) face The Great and Abominable Church of the Devil and its factions, wings, sects, sectarian cults, ideologies, norms, nostrums, and mythologies as elucidated in the Book of Mormon, as the days grow short, and midnight approaches.

These suggestions for creating stronger family cultures work in tandem with the culture of the Church. Our strengthened family cultures will be a protection for our children from “the fiery darts of the adversary” (1 Nephi 15:24) embedded in their peer culture, the entertainment and celebrity cultures, the credit and entitlement cultures, and the Internet and media cultures to which they are constantly exposed. Strong family cultures will help our children live in the world and not become “of the world”


May God bless, protect, preserve, and continue to reveal his will and word, in harmony with his brethren among the Twelve and the First Presidency, to this special witness of the Lord, Jesus Christ.


Liberals want people to be employed and hard working. They do not want a credit culture. The right has these myths.
The credit culture remark could equally apply to the defense budget or to the shady "financial products" culture of Wall Street.
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Tarski wrote: The credit culture remark could equally apply to the defense budget or to the shady "financial products" culture of Wall Street.


So too may the entitlement aspect, as in, "we the wealthy are entitled to big tax cuts because we are 'job creators.'"
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Kishkumen wrote:So too may the entitlement aspect, as in, "we the wealthy are entitled to big tax cuts because we are 'job creators.'"


Agreed. Entitlement and credit are not unique to the left qua left.
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liz3564 wrote:
Droopy wrote:I found this especially clarifying and productive of courage, faith, and renewed valence as the Saints (and others of the good, noble, just, and righteous of the earth) face The Great and Abominable Church of the Devil and its factions, wings, sects, sectarian cults, ideologies, norms, nostrums, and mythologies as elucidated in the Book of Mormon, as the days grow short, and midnight approaches.


Who do you consider The Great and Abominable Church to be?


Any ideology, philosophy, belief system, and/or organization, philosophical, educational, ideological, fraternal, political, educational, or of any other kind, that seeks to draw God's children away from him, his gospel, and his Church, and/or is overtly hostile and conflictual with that gospel and Church.

The "Left," in a very broad and widely encompassing sense, is a major - and perhaps the major - element of this "church" as mentioned in the Book of Mormon. It is also the "Gadianton Robbers" which were, in LDS doctrine, not only actually existing mafias and sophisticated criminal gangs in ancient times (and paralleling similar groups today), but political, ideological, and educational - cultural - mafias; groups, movements etc. seeking the overthrow of freedom, liberty, the rule of law, gospel-grounded morality and ethics, and civilization qua civilization, and a Zion society, in any degree of development.

Well, that is the Left. Start with the French Revolution. Move through Rousseau to Comte, Saint Simon, and Condorcet. Go on to Marx, Engles, and Lenin. Keep going through the leading leftist intellectuals of the 20th century including Dewey and the American Progressives, the Fabians, Gramsci, Lukacs, the Frankfurt School, Kinsey, the New Left, the critical theory (political correctness) movement within academia, and Postmodernism, and although you see a plethora of theories, doctrines, and emphasis within these various movements and philosophies at their periphery, at their core they are all very similar as to fundamental assumptions and premises (just as socialism, national socialism, and fascism, despite their differences in emphasis and de-emphasis, are very similar as to core philosophy and actual practice when in power).

What is normally called "the Left" in political philosophy and political activism is, in my view, really just a very broad, systemic, fractious, and always proliferating manifestation of what the Book of Mormon calls the "Church of the Devil," which is the entire, generalized body of such moments, organizations, and ideologies that have come to dominate the major institutions of the world (it sitteth upon many waters) and defines and determines much of what one sees and is exposed to in the pop culture, in education, in much popular literature, and which dominates attitudes, assumptions, and settled dogma within most governments.

Its not a conspiracy in the Kennedy assassination or 9/11 truther sense, but because of the core assumptions underlying all these movements and ideologies, and because all of them, regardless of how they may fight amongst themselves over various points of doctrinal purity, have one, central enemy against whom they can and understand they must all come together (combine) to fight and try to destroy (Zion, the gospel, the Church, and anything that partakes to any substantive degree of its principles, which means in historical practical application the entire western classical liberal/Judeo-Christain social, cultural, intellectual, and ethical tradition; conservatism (across all issues), mainstream libertarianism (in economics, political economy, and the proper scope and function of the state), America, and Israel), it has a strong systemic character: it shares very similar goals and vision, and hence, always works against, and combines against, Christ and this Church, and any social system in which there is a whiff of such principles.

There are things that fall outside the "Left" that are also a part of the GAAC (yes, I know this sounds like a sound you make after you've swallowed a Dragonball Z action figure, but that's why I like it), but even here, the difference is usually a lack of or disinterest in a larger ideological vision and a psychological/emotional commitment to an antinomian lifestyle, not an absolute incompatibility with the Left (and the Left has pretty much absorbed and created elaborate theoretic justifications for almost all known avant garde behaviors and "alternative lifestyles" known to human beings, so they won't be left out, even if some of the practitioners themselves are non-ideological (even though they may have a developed personal philosophy about such things) about their own approach to life).
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I found this especially clarifying and productive of courage, faith, and renewed valence as the Saints (and others of the good, noble, just, and righteous of the earth) face The Great and Abominable Church of the Devil and its factions, wings, sects, sectarian cults, ideologies, norms, nostrums, and mythologies as elucidated in the Book of Mormon, as the days grow short, and midnight approaches.


What the heck does Droopy mean by 'renewed valence'? I have known valence since I was a kid as a chemical concept: in water, H2O, the oxygen atom has valence 2 because it can form bonds with two univalent hydrogen atoms. But in the quest to find out what Droopy might mean (thanks, Wikipedia), I have found that it can also mean:

1. The number of arguments controlled by a verb predicate.
2. The intrinsic attractiveness (positive valence) or aversiveness (negative valence) of an event, object, or situation.
3. For a vertex of a graph, the number of edges incident to the vertex, with loops counted twice

I really doubt he means any of those. So what on earth does he mean? Is he just having a distorted reminiscence of 'valiance', perhaps? Somehow I rather think he is.

I see poor old Droopy has taken to looking forward with longing to the end of it all. Well, I'm sorry to see that: for the last two millennia millions of good people have had that hope, and have died without seeing it fulfilled. There is no reason to think Droopy will be any different.
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Chap wrote:I see poor old Droopy has taken to looking forward with longing to the end of it all. Well, I'm sorry to see that: for the last two millennia millions of good people have had that hope, and have died without seeing it fulfilled. There is no reason to think Droopy will be any different.


There's something very strange about hearing professed Christians rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of the wicked (the Left, duh) getting theirs in the end. Screw the loving, compassionate Christ; we want the ass-kicking God of vengeance.
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Kishkumen wrote:
Tarski wrote: The credit culture remark could equally apply to the defense budget or to the shady "financial products" culture of Wall Street.


So too may the entitlement aspect, as in, "we the wealthy are entitled to big tax cuts because we are 'job creators.'"



No, it may not, and does not, and I can guarantee, without the slightest fear of contradiction, that Elder Perry had no such idea in mind when he made his statements. And I can tell you why. It makes no sense, except to a leftist (of whatever school of thought) to speak of the wealthy being "entitled" to big tax cuts.

In the first place, each and every cent of the money the wealthy have earned through productive, legal economic activity is theirs. It is their money. lt does not belong to the state. It does not belong to you. It does not belong to me. This is basic, rudimentary, fundamental, gospel-based moral teaching regarding property, ownership, and and the nature of work in the temporal sphere.

The vast, vertiginous gulf that exists between believing there is an entitlement to the fruits of one's own labor, and that one is innately entitled to the fruits of the labor of others, cannot possibly be understated. The gospel of Jesus Christ and every statement ever made by any GA who has ever made a statement about this subject thoroughly removes this philosophy and attitude from consideration, and any LDS still pretending that coerced redistribution of wealth, means-tested life-long and intergenerational material support by the state, government as daycare center, equality of temporal condition, and that a view of human economic relations based on class envy is compatible with the restored gospel are also, in my view, in a delusional state of let's-pretend commitment to the gospel, and would probably be better served by reading far fewer Joanna Brooks editorials and Hugh Nibley bromides and immersing themselves in the scriptures, the words of the living prophets in our day, and deep, sincere, sackcloth and ashes REPENTANCE.

The doors of the wedding feast will be shut at midnight. Only those virgins who's lamps are trimmed and contain sufficient oil will be admitted. The rich, the middle class, the upper-middle class, and the poor, who have obeyed the gospel, lived righteously, and endured to the end, will be admitted together.

Guess who will be told to go fish?
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I'm getting kind of hungry. Maybe I could go get a sandwich qua sandwich.
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