Tithing on the Wages of Sin

[_Tobin]

I need to refer you to the church's explanation of how tithing is used:

Constructing temples, chapels, and other buildings.
Providing operating funds for the Church.
Funding the missionary program (This does not include individual missionary expenses.)
Preparing materials used in Church classes and organizations.
Temple work, family history, and many other important Church functions.
Education.

How can Heavenly Father continue his work on the earth without those items mentioned above? How does feeding the poor help God build a church (kingdom) on the earth? Frankly, it doesn't help Heavenly Father, and He knows it. Likely, the fear of His kingdom failing keeps him up at night, especially now that rival gods are beginning to pose a threat to his position.

I don't think the Lord needs temples, chapels and other buildings - do you?
I don't think the Lord needs a Church - do you?
I don't think the Lord needs Church classes and organizations and employees - do you?
I don't think the Lord needs temple work, family history, and what other important Church functions should there be but taking care of people?!?
And the best education one can get is in the love, care, and concern of taking care of another.

What you are describing are things men need, but not God and not those who follow God. In fact, they distract and take away from the work those that follow God should be doing - taking care of, showing concern for, and loving and helping one another.

You are welcome to believe whatever you'd like, but the Mormon Church is a self-serving MAN-MADE organzation. None of these things are of God.

[_zeezrom]

You are welcome to believe whatever you'd like, but the Mormon Church is a self-serving MAN-MADE organzation. None of these things are of God.

Your version of a church doesn't need tithing to survive.

[_Tobin]

You are welcome to believe whatever you'd like, but the Mormon Church is a self-serving MAN-MADE organzation. None of these things are of God.

Your version of a church doesn't need tithing to survive.

Exactly. Its teachers would be without without purse or script. It would follow the example of the son of God. Men and women like that would be truly servants of God and their fellow man because they would only be seeking to serve and help others instead of serving and helping themselves.

[_Chap]

... Its teachers would be without without purse or script. ...

I agree that would be wonderful. I mean, that damn script is so boring - They just read it off the teleprompter in that 'special' voice, droning on and on ...

Why can't they ad lib sometimes?
...

Oh, how disappointing, another Freudian typo.

[_zeezrom]

Its teachers would be without without purse or script. It would follow the example of the son of God. Men and women like that would be truly servants of God and their fellow man because they would only be seeking to serve and help others instead of serving and helping themselves.

I understand what you hope for in your ideal church.

I just want to be clear that we have apples and oranges:

Tithing

Charity

Those are not the same thing.

[_sock puppet]

Tobin,

I think you are drawing the distinction that zeezrom has identified between charity and tithing.

You've indicated that God does not need tithing to build up a church-organization on earth.

I would like you to describe God's need for charity among human beings, and why God does not himself provide for the needy, through the exercise of his omnipotence.

[_Tobin]

Tobin,

I think you are drawing the distinction that zeezrom has identified between charity and tithing.

You've indicated that God does not need tithing to build up a church-organization on earth.

I would like you to describe God's need for charity among human beings, and why God does not himself provide for the needy, through the exercise of his omnipotence.

Because God has provided each of us. The world would be a much better place if we would express our love of God and each other in service and kindness with each other.

[_Darth J]

Why doesn't Tobin just start his own church? He concedes the LDS Church is apostate. God explains everything to Tobin. And Tobin has it all figured out. So why isn't this modern prophet, who understands the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham better than Joseph Smith, caring for his own flock, instead of lurking in the LDS Church?

[_Fence Sitter]

Why doesn't Tobin just start his own church? He concedes the LDS Church is apostate. God explains everything to Tobin. And Tobin has it all figured out. So why isn't this modern prophet, who understands the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham better than Joseph Smith, caring for his own flock, instead of lurking in the LDS Church?

Joseph Smith quickly found out what happens when multiple people are receiving revelations. Tobin's Church would have to be a party of one. (I think it already is.)

[_Stormy Waters]

Why doesn't Tobin just start his own church? He concedes the LDS Church is apostate. God explains everything to Tobin. And Tobin has it all figured out. So why isn't this modern prophet, who understands the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham better than Joseph Smith, caring for his own flock, instead of lurking in the LDS Church?

Since Tobin claims to have seen God, he seems like a better candidate for prophet than Thomas S. Monson or the apostles who haven't made that claim in decades.