Tobin wrote:There is the right way to correct the Brethren and the wrong way.
Please elaborate on the correct way to correct the Brethern
These things were held in confidence and he was in a position to state how and why he disagreed with them in confidence. I certainly don't think he needed to do what he did.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Tobin wrote:These things were held in confidence and he was in a position to state how and why he disagreed with them in confidence. I certainly don't think he needed to do what he did.
The general membership of the churh deserves to know that this secret oridiance of the second annointing is practiced. They have payed 10% tithing and donated years of time.
Apparently you have not heard the pod casts nor read his detailed story about these confidential interactions, which gave zero response to his concerns other than to make him the bad guy
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Tobin wrote:These things were held in confidence and he was in a position to state how and why he disagreed with them in confidence. I certainly don't think he needed to do what he did.
The general membership of the churh deserves to know that this secret oridiance of the second annointing is practiced. They have payed 10% tithing and donated years of time.
Why? I'm betting most of them haven't been asked to do something like this and are just as ill-prepared as Tom Phillips clearly was. Funny how things work like that.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Tobin wrote:These things were held in confidence and he was in a position to state how and why he disagreed with them in confidence. I certainly don't think he needed to do what he did.
Apparently you have not heard the pod casts nor read his detailed story about these confidential interactions, which gave zero response to his concerns other than to make him the bad guy. I guess the correct way for him to deal with it from there was just suck it up eh?
I really don't think so and you are overstating the case. This is someone that personally knew these men and his approach clearly was antagonistic and far from constructive (and they all knew it). I ignore people on this site for exactly the same reason. When they go from making interesting points to attacking or making fun of me, I feel no sympathy towards them at all and put them on ignore. And you do realize that I agree with him to an extent. I simply don't agree with the attitude nor the approach however.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Tobin wrote:Yeah, this should be interesting. Now they have the bozo that thought going to the temple and dressing up gets you the second anointing and automatically seeing Christ and all that jazz. Uhhh, no. Although, I do like that he nailed Elder Ballard to the wall on his goofy theories that before Adam and Even were introduced into the world, there world had no death, evolution and everything we know from the geological record was suspended?!? Uhhh, space magic?!?
How long have you been Mormon? Oops, I forgot I'm on your ignore list.
That is a badge of honor. Whats unfortunate is Tobin ignores everyone asking him not to again derail a thread with his magic is better then theirs.
I think they are hurting their brand. For years, MT has been the best place to see a balanced approach to LDS church history and doctrine. A lot of this was due to their keeping editors out of sight and letting the articles speak for themselves. Twede and now Philips are breaking with this and it will make it much easier for LDS readers to dismiss the site based on association with known apostates.
Aristotle Smith wrote:I think they are hurting their brand. For years, MT has been the best place to see a balanced approach to LDS church history and doctrine. A lot of this was due to their keeping editors out of sight and letting the articles speak for themselves. Twede and now Philips are breaking with this and it will make it much easier for LDS readers to dismiss the site based on association with known apostates.
Tobin wrote:Yeah, this should be interesting. Now they have the bozo that thought going to the temple and dressing up gets you the second anointing and automatically seeing Christ and all that jazz. Uhhh, no. Although, I do like that he nailed Elder Ballard to the wall on his goofy theories that before Adam and Eve were introduced into the world, there was no death, and evolution and everything else we know from the geological record was suspended?!? Uhhh, space magic?!?
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About Joseph Smith.. How do you think his persona was influenced by being the storyteller since childhood? Mastering the art of going pale, changing his voice, and mesmerizing his audience.. How do you think he was influenced by keeping secrets and lying for his wife and the church members for decades?
Tobin wrote:Uh huh. He went off his nut as far as I can tell and betrayed the Church and everything he swore to hold sacred. There is the right way to correct the Brethren and the wrong way. He picked the wrong way.
Are you that dull?
DUH?
The more you and LDS Inc whine about MormonThink, the more you all unwittingly spread it's influence.
Who needs any so called anti-mormons when the unwitting masses of the Mormon church do such a fine job of killing it?
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