Colbert Eviscerates the New McDonalds budget for workers

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ajax18 wrote:
So... if I make $150,000 every year, am I in trouble because I have a $160,000 mortgage balance and various expenses related to home ownership and living?


I sure wish I could live on the black side of financial life rather than the red. It's the difference between owning my own business and working for someone else.

That's the rub.

What you really need to understand is that U.S. Treasuries (i.e. the financial instruments that the national debt is made of) aren't real assets or real liabilities. They are financial assets and liabilities.

What that means is this: while it's true that the U.S. Government as a whole has a $16 trillion (or whatever) liability, it's also true that a subset of individuals and corporations have a $16 trillion asset. When you aggregate everybody's balance sheets, the $16 trillion that the government owes is cancelled out by the individuals who loaned them the money.

This debt and the interest continuously paid on it is one of the mechanisms that causes one group of people to be the working poor and another group of people to be the non-working super-wealthy.

Perhaps what you should be hoping for is a big shot of inflation. Think about it--if the value of the dollar goes down by 90%, then the price of an eye exam would increase from $50 to $500, and your income would increase by a factor of 10. The price of all of the goods and services you buy would also increase by a factor of 10, so that in real terms, it's like you still make $100,000 or whatever.

However, in real terms the national debt would drop from $16 trillion to $1.6 trillion. In real terms, what you owe on your house would drop from $250,000 to $25,000. In real terms, what you owe on your student loans would drop from $90,000 to $9,000.

Of course the other side of this is that the people who loaned you (and the federal government) the money will lose their shirts. But that is the natural order of things--in math, your wealth can grow exponentially forever, but in the real world, gravity evens things out.
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ajax18 wrote:I sure wish I could live on the black side of financial life rather than the red.

I do, and have not had a penny of debt in many years. And let me tell you, the sense of security now is worth a hell of a lot. We know that we don't have to worry about making payments, or losing our home or cars, even in the case of job losses. (What we do worry about is loss of health insurance coverage, because of our idiotic system where employers provide insurance, but that's another subject.)

However, governments and households are completely different animals. Maybe we should think of the government and its debt more along the lines of how a business handles debt. No one worries about a corporation carrying a debt load. As long as they are able to manage it, people still buy their stock. It's just another entry on their balance sheet. Liabilities vs. assets.

We know the USA is still a very good investment. Investors are still buying into it even though interest rates are so low that they are effectively paying the government to take their money. That's what makes it such a tragedy that we are not taking advantage of the situation to take on more debt, and use it to rebuild crumbling highways and bridges, which would stimulate the economy and put people to work.
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I do, and have not had a penny of debt in many years.


That's a beautiful thing. Congratulations to you for achieving that.
It's funny that I'm the debtor and you're the creditor and yet our policies are worse for our own selves than the other.

Of course the other side of this is that the people who loaned you (and the federal government) the money will lose their shirts.


Yeah, well I'm starting to lose my sympathies for the CEOs earning money off me working my tail off on Saturday while they play golf. What's the worst that can happen to them, they have to live off their labor rather than interest on their money?
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krose wrote:Comparing government debt to consumer debt is silly.


Sounds like Detroit got the wrong guy to manage their city finances.
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ajax18 wrote:Yeah, well I'm starting to lose my sympathies for the CEOs earning money off me working my tail off on Saturday while they play golf. What's the worst that can happen to them, they have to live off their labor rather than interest on their money?

As the good book says, "Neither a borrower nor a lender be, for loan often loses both itself and friend, and borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry."
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cinepro wrote:I guess the ultimate question is whether or not a job at McDonalds must provide enough income for a full time worker to meet a certain standard of living.

And who gets to answer that question?



Obviously, politicians, bureaucrats, and academic intellectuals who understand far more about the fast food business and its market dynamics than those within that industry.
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cinepro wrote:
krose wrote:Comparing government debt to consumer debt is silly.

Sounds like Detroit got the wrong guy to manage their city finances.

Okay, perhaps I should have specified that I was talking about the national government. But how is Detroit like a private household (rather than like a nonprofit organization that's lost a huge portion of its paying members)?
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Bah. I erased my post on accident.
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